RichTig
Posts:0
 | | 08/07/2008 1:13 PM |
 Alert | They want the higher bond now, so the city can use that money for other pet projects. Sneaky Sneaky. | | | |
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thick
Posts:613
| | 08/07/2008 1:26 PM |
Alert | | That's kinda what I was leading up to. Something just doesn't smell right here. | | | |
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RichTig
Posts:0
| | 08/07/2008 1:28 PM |
Alert | It does seem like overkill................... If they truly need all that money than I would General Contractor that job, because it pays great! | | | |
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Java Lover
Posts:159
| | 08/07/2008 2:46 PM |
Alert | There are no pet projects, no sneaky back door deals.
The bond is very specific about what the money will be spent on and that is only PRL items, like those listed in my earlier post.
Also, the bond would be issued a bit at a time as needed. The city is not asking or wanting all 65 million at once. So this would be spread out over time and bonds issued only as needed and feasible. | | | |
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corman
Posts:1190
| | 08/07/2008 3:26 PM |
Alert | Rich & Leon....you two remind me of an old quote........"don't try and confuse me with the facts when my mind is made up".....
Both of you refuse to TRY and understand the facts and long range projection, and management of this program. All you seems to care tp prove is that you are right and everyone else is wrong if they don't jump on your little "red wagon". Debating is one thing, and that usually extends to trying to understanding each side. If you would TRY and expend half the energy on something positive.......you might be a part of the solution, instead of a "burr under the saddle" of negativism.
Rich.......you can sit in your Province estate, and do nothing but spew negative thoughts on everything.......because that's what you have established. You remind of the "the little boy that cried wolf".........and no one ever listened. This will be accepted by the progressive people in our town that have a "positive" investment in Maricopa.
Thank heavens it's only a few people that are like the person sitting in front of the "pot belly stove" and saying......"you give me heat and then I will put in the wood"...... It never works that way.....you have to invest before you get any kind of return.
Have a nice day, and THINK POSITIVE for a change. You MIGHT like it!!!
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thick
Posts:613
| | 08/07/2008 3:36 PM |
Alert | The bond is very specific about what the money will be spent on and that is only PRL items, like those listed in my earlier post.
Also, the bond would be issued a bit at a time as needed. The city is not asking or wanting all 65 million at once. So this would be spread out over time and bonds issued only as needed and feasible.
Can you explain why there needs to be a bond for this entire amount if it's not needed immediately? "Bonds of the bond" issued as needed? This confuses me. | | | |
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thick
Posts:613
| | 08/07/2008 3:47 PM |
Alert | Both of you refuse to TRY and understand the facts and long range projection, and management of this program.
That's not quite how I read their posts. My interpretation of RT's posts is that while these amenities would be nice, why can't we make do with what we have until funds become available naturally. My interpretation of LP's posts is that while these amenities would be nice, we should not incur debt to fund them. Same general message, but different delivery. I don't think either of those views should be so easily dismissed, however. Sometimes incurring a little debt is worthwhile towards the end goal. Sometimes it isn't and hasty decisions can quickly get anyone into trouble. I, myself am unclear as to what exactly all the pros & cons are. | | | |
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RichTig
Posts:0
| | 08/07/2008 8:08 PM |
Alert | Posted By corman on 08/07/2008 3:26 PM
Rich & Leon....you two remind me of an old quote........"don't try and confuse me with the facts when my mind is made up".....
Both of you refuse to TRY and understand the facts and long range projection, and management of this program. All you seems to care tp prove is that you are right and everyone else is wrong if they don't jump on your little "red wagon". Debating is one thing, and that usually extends to trying to understanding each side. If you would TRY and expend half the energy on something positive.......you might be a part of the solution, instead of a "burr under the saddle" of negativism.
Rich.......you can sit in your Province estate, and do nothing but spew negative thoughts on everything.......because that's what you have established. You remind of the "the little boy that cried wolf".........and no one ever listened. This will be accepted by the progressive people in our town that have a "positive" investment in Maricopa.
Thank heavens it's only a few people that are like the person sitting in front of the "pot belly stove" and saying......"you give me heat and then I will put in the wood"...... It never works that way.....you have to invest before you get any kind of return.
Have a nice day, and THINK POSITIVE for a change. You MIGHT like it!!! Holy crap - corman is so right. Its only 65million dollars for parks. Seeing as Maricopa is perfect in every other way, except for parks. The 65million is a small price to pay for parks. Anyone buying a home here won't care what the taxes are. No one even thinks about taxes and bonds and stuff. Its not like we have to pay them or anything. It isn't like we already have a library at the high school that could be used by the city, like Chandler Hamilton. The city of Chandler is run by morons, obviously. Why have 1 main library, WHEN YOU CAN HAVE 2? The same with the pools and the ball fields. We need our elected officials to help our neighbors to the northeast. And with 35,000 people in Maricopa, thats only $1,900 per person. Thats almost nothing. Perhaps the bond should be raised to $500million, so we can make sure and get really good books. I am positive that you-people are loading the city up with debt that will be the ruin of this place. I would hate to see your bank statements. Perhaps the Parks people could have an Econ 101 class for you-people. | | | |
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CODEBLEU
Posts:291
| | 08/07/2008 9:52 PM |
Alert | | Every time I walk my dog in Pacana Park they have the Baseball Field locked up. That doesn't make sense to me if we are so short on parks! Why would they lock up the ball field if the communtiy is short on fields? | | | |
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BSpearsBdyGuard
Posts:145
| | 08/07/2008 9:59 PM |
Alert | | the field is open quite often, just go in through the dugouts. It's only locked after it's been made pretty for a ball game. | | | |
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CODEBLEU
Posts:291
| | 08/08/2008 8:57 PM |
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That field is hardly ever open to the public!. Im not sure what time of the day you walk by it but I have been walking my dog there every morning and evening for the past three years. The field is almost always locked game ready or not.
If were short on fields perhaps the padlock should be removed and allow the public to use it. Its a field and nobody is using it so why not? Simple Solution and the best part is that its a well maintained field. | | | |
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BSpearsBdyGuard
Posts:145
| | 08/08/2008 9:05 PM |
Alert | | odd because softball games are being played on it right now and girls fastpitch games were being played last night. I think you are confused. The dugouts are open. The big rolling gate is locked and closed. There is no reason to leave that unlocked. Try the dugouts. Works for me and my friends when we take batting practice. | | | |
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BSpearsBdyGuard
Posts:145
| | 08/08/2008 9:09 PM |
Alert | | in reading these posts, I think both sides make valid points. The big question, however, is why is there not more information on the bond on this site or any site for that matter. | | | |
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CODEBLEU
Posts:291
| | 08/08/2008 11:05 PM |
Alert | NO, I am not confused. Of course the field is open for orgnized play but rarely ever open to the public for free play. Thats the point I am trying to make. Since its a city field it should be open to the public when the ball teams are not using it. It does not need to be only used for softball. We could use it for other events as well.
The only reason I mention this is that we should maximize our present fields before we take on more debt. These million dollar homes that we purchased for "pennies on the dollar " as one town cheerleader once described it are just turning into foreclosure signs. Until the market turns we should be investing our money wisely and try to maintain our neighborhoods and town in respectable manner. The buyers will come with or without additional sporting venues.
Besides, we should really be passing on the cost of recreation to future builders that come to Maricopa and not to the citizens who have already subsidized the growth of this town more then their fair share. Perhaps EDS, or GLOBAL, or Orbitel should be shouldering more of the growth with the inflated services they provide our community. Perhaps an increase in taxes on large land owners would help to free up some of the land around here for future growth. There are a million ways to raise money but going into debt would be the last on my list. | | | |
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RichTig
Posts:0
| | 08/09/2008 8:14 AM |
Alert | Excellent points, CODEBLU and Thick. | | | |
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hastings1066
Posts:1004
| | 08/09/2008 12:20 PM |
Alert | Acquiring debt when things are booming and growing, with an expected increase in income is all well and good. The same debt, when things are stagnating, is foolish. It's like a man, who has gone from full time work to a part time status, borrowing money so that he can trade in his 10 year old ford for a new corvette. | | | |
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jainaz
Posts:15
| | 09/26/2008 2:40 PM |
Alert | You're kidding, right? Given the economy now and possible bailout...you want us to pay even more than our outrageious taxes. How about getting the money from the airport deal, that we do not need, or even the city hall temporary parking lot that was paved. With decisions like this, we could save money and use for the library. Our parks are fine given the population. | | | |
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jainaz
Posts:15
| | 09/26/2008 2:41 PM |
Alert | good plan if our community was growing, but given the housing market, this stuff can wait. We don't need more taxes. | | | |
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jainaz
Posts:15
| | 09/26/2008 2:44 PM |
Alert | Richtig...good point on library being connected to school. Scottsdale does the same thing and it is great. Public also uses school fields. Gee...what a concept | | | |
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amarchione
Posts:73
| | 09/26/2008 3:51 PM |
Alert | Do you want to pay as much as 56% more in property taxes to the City of Maricopa? If this bond measure passes, that's exactly what you're going to do. The current situation of massive foreclosure, and local business closings, reminds us that right now is not a good time to add additional strain on struggling homeowners and local business. The city, at this point in time, needs to focus on being fiscally conservative. There is no need to start construction anytime soon on a $15million library, as we just broke ground on a "new" one. The City is using your money to push this measure. At this point in time, the tail is wagging the dog. Now just isn’t the right time. Please vote NO on this measure. | |
NO on Question #5. NO to Debt and Taxes!
"Instant Gratification" is followed by debt. | |
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