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EEE
Posts:374


 | | 08/09/2008 3:49 PM |
Alert | You got to love it when people who don't believe in the Bible quote the Bible!  Christians are to obey the Laws of the land unless it violates a command given by God. A rule preventing the spread of the Gospel is a command that goes against what God teaches. Act 5:27 When they had brought them, they stood them before the Council. The high priest questioned them,
Act 5:28 saying, "We gave you strict orders not to continue teaching in this name, and yet, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and intend to bring this man's blood upon us."
Act 5:29 But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men. | | Yeah, it's true- He allowed the fall of man/ But He used it now to exalt the Lamb/ The Lord, who's wise, permits existence of sin/ to be glorified in His forgiveness to men/ | |
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| | JAG
Posts:676


 | | 08/09/2008 5:19 PM |
Alert | Do Protostents have some extra commandments on the side or something? | | | |
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| | jrmyck0811
Posts:7

 | | 08/09/2008 8:52 PM |
Alert | Once again religion is starting a WAR. The only thing religion does is start WARS and kill people. And for what? People dieing just because they have different beliefs.If you ask me religion is evil. | | | |
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| | Cactus Rob
Posts:1120


 | | 08/09/2008 9:08 PM |
Alert | Posted By EEE on 08/09/2008 3:49 PM You got to love it when people who don't believe in the Bible quote the Bible!  Christians are to obey the Laws of the land unless it violates a command given by God. A rule preventing the spread of the Gospel is a command that goes against what God teaches. Act 5:27 When they had brought them, they stood them before the Council. The high priest questioned them,
Act 5:28 saying, "We gave you strict orders not to continue teaching in this name, and yet, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and intend to bring this man's blood upon us."
Act 5:29 But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men. Good luck. Or perhaps just leave well enough alone! http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/34998prs20080422.html "We couldn't find a single case from any court in this country holding that Bible distribution to grade school students is constitutionally permissible," Esman continued. Judge Carl Barbier agreed that the school's actions violated the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and amounted to religious coercion." http://blog.au.org/2007/07/30/islam-and-public-schools-accommodate-but-dont-promote-religion-says-muslim-activist/ "I can understand how difficult it is for public school officials to serve children from many different religious backgrounds (and none). They should remember, though, that the reason it is so difficult is because America is home to some 2,000 religious groups. It would be impossible for schools to teach reading, writing and arithmetic while catering to even a fraction of this number. Schools, therefore, should leave decisions about children’s religious upbringing to their families and houses of worship." | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:994


 | | 08/09/2008 9:53 PM |
Alert | Posted By jrmyck0811 on 08/09/2008 8:52 PM The only thing religion does is start WARS .
Now thats just a silly thing to say. Any non-bigot thinking person could give you a vast list of the positive contributions made by various religions and religious individuals throughout history. | | | |
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| | JCarp
Posts:47


 | | 08/09/2008 10:44 PM |
Alert | ^^^^ ...and one could find many a war started due to non-religious reasons. WWI and WWII are the first that came to mind. | | | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:608


 | | 08/09/2008 10:49 PM |
Alert | Posted By jrmyck0811 on 08/09/2008 8:52 PM Once again religion is starting a WAR. The only thing religion does is start WARS and kill people. And for what? People dieing just because they have different beliefs.If you ask me religion is evil.
We are all missing what is going on in your head! We are talking about flyers on a bulletin board. Focus man. Focus.
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:608


 | | 08/09/2008 10:54 PM |
Alert | Posted By Cactus Rob on 08/09/2008 2:22 PM Posted By Bionicbunny on 08/09/2008 12:37 PM Posted By Cactus Rob on 08/09/2008 11:44 AM Posted By JAG on 08/09/2008 4:04 AM I hope they win, and it makes national news to stop discriminating against Christians. Why? I would love for the day when being a Christian is illegal in the US, we are called to be hated and cursed. In my opinion, suing a school district isn't something a true Christian would do. We are taught to be meek and humble and to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.
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You may want to consider attending the bible study. Your reference is refering to paying taxes. Wrong! It is referring to the authority rendered to government in general, not just one facet of it. A good christian isn't a law breaker. Period!
A good christian certainly could be a law breaker if a law of government goes against Gods law. Gods law trumps all others. But that's besides the point anyway, the church is only asking for protection under the law not special privelages. The right to seek satisfaction through the judicial process is a main tenant of the American system. You are saying that Christians don't have the same rights under the law that any other non-christian American would. And for you to call the pastor of this church a law breaker is libelous. Perhaps if you won't consider the bible study, a class on constitutional freedom would lend to your understanding of this debate. | | | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:608


 | | 08/09/2008 11:04 PM |
Alert | Posted By Protofish on 08/09/2008 5:34 AM
I love how you keep trying to make the Christianity faith as failing. Well maybe it is actually, I mean when Priests have been molesting small boys for decades and the Pope and his Cardinals try to cover it up and make it go away. Yea I guess you could say Christian devotes are having a change in their faith.
Why don't we all worship the sun? I mean we can rely on the sun to bring us warmth and happyness. It brings life, and helps with the production of food. And I can guarentee you that it won't molest any of your children like most Christianity Priests do.
It's actually very well known that more liberals living in Vermont have molested children than all catholic priests put together.
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| | JAG
Posts:676


 | | 08/09/2008 11:35 PM |
Alert | ^^^^
...and one could find many a war started due to non-religious reasons. WWI and WWII are the first that came to mind. The slaughter of ~100Million last decade in the USSR, or the ~30k in Spain. All done by athiests, shocker. | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:994


 | | 08/10/2008 8:07 AM |
Alert | Posted By Protofish on 08/09/2008 5:34 AM
And I can guarentee you that it won't molest any of your children like most Christianity Priests do.
Fact check - I am not Catholic and do not have a dog in this fight,but I do get peeved when people make such patently false statements as you did above. Studies by both the church and critics of the church, state that about 4% of priest have been accused of abuse, About 2% have been proved to be abusers. According to the US Dep of Education, the same percentage of abuse is prevalent in other institutions . Any abuse of kids is wrong, but to state that most priest are abusers, when 96% to 98% are not ,is just irresponsible. | | | |
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| | Cactus Rob
Posts:1120


 | | 08/10/2008 9:25 AM |
Alert | Posted By Bionicbunny on 08/09/2008 10:54 PM Posted By Cactus Rob on 08/09/2008 2:22 PM Posted By Bionicbunny on 08/09/2008 12:37 PM Posted By Cactus Rob on 08/09/2008 11:44 AM Posted By JAG on 08/09/2008 4:04 AM I hope they win, and it makes national news to stop discriminating against Christians. Why? I would love for the day when being a Christian is illegal in the US, we are called to be hated and cursed. In my opinion, suing a school district isn't something a true Christian would do. We are taught to be meek and humble and to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.
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You may want to consider attending the bible study. Your reference is refering to paying taxes. Wrong! It is referring to the authority rendered to government in general, not just one facet of it. A good christian isn't a law breaker. Period!
A good christian certainly could be a law breaker if a law of government goes against Gods law. Gods law trumps all others. But that's besides the point anyway, the church is only asking for protection under the law not special privelages. The right to seek satisfaction through the judicial process is a main tenant of the American system. You are saying that Christians don't have the same rights under the law that any other non-christian American would. And for you to call the pastor of this church a law breaker is libelous. Perhaps if you won't consider the bible study, a class on constitutional freedom would lend to your understanding of this debate.
"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also." (Matthew 5:39, ASV)Also, I never called anyone a law breaker. My statement was; "A good Christian isn't a law breaker". It is the absolute truth and names no one in particular, so tell me how that is libelous. | | | |
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| | Protofish
Posts:190


 | | 08/10/2008 12:28 PM |
Alert | So you say only 4% of Priests got caught? What is the percentage of priests that haven't gotten caught? And to say religion doesn't cuase wars is total b.s. WW1,WW2 were started cause of differnces in their religious beliefs. I also predict within 6 months Israel will attck Iran's nuclear buildings in fear of Iran useing them on Israel. And this war will also be started over religion. | | | |
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| | Serpthia...
Posts:175

 | | 08/10/2008 1:24 PM |
Alert | Catus Rob, I enjoy so many of your posts; that is an absolute fact, but..
In order for one to say that a good Christian would never break the law one would probably have to think all laws are good and instituted to serve justice, and that mans' laws are always working in tandem with God's. That's simply not the case. All one has to do is extrapolate from history to see how horrendous the consequences of unjust laws can be. I can think of scenarios where a good Christian would be working defiantly against injustices that become legislated.
A good Christian should always want to be within the law and live accordingly, but this is in no way an absolute.
Respectfully, Serp. | | | |
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| | Serpthia...
Posts:175

 | | 08/10/2008 1:25 PM |
Alert | Religion has always been a scapegoat for human intolerance. Put the blame where it's due, on humans capable of acting, not an ideology incapable of momentum on its own. | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:994


 | | 08/10/2008 2:43 PM |
Alert | Posted By Protofish on 08/10/2008 12:28 PM WW1,WW2 were started cause of differnces in their religious beliefs.. ___________________________________________________
My God man, read some history prior to making such an asinine statement! Name one creditable historian who has ever said such a thing. | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:994


 | | 08/10/2008 2:47 PM |
Alert | Posted By Serpthia... on 08/10/2008 1:24 PM
Catus Rob, I enjoy so many of your posts; that is an absolute fact, but..
In order for one to say that a good Christian would never break the law one would probably have to think all laws are good and instituted to serve justice, and that mans' laws are always working in tandem with God's. That's simply not the case. All one has to do is extrapolate from history to see how horrendous the consequences of unjust laws can be. I can think of scenarios where a good Christian would be working defiantly against injustices that become legislated.
A good Christian should always want to be within the law and live accordingly, but this is in no way an absolute.
Respectfully,
Serp.
In the Germany of the 1930s and 40s, a good Christian should have broken many of Hitlers laws. | | | |
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| | Serpthia...
Posts:175

 | | 08/10/2008 3:09 PM |
Alert | hastings, very true. Cactus Rob, I apologize for writing your name wrong. | | | |
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| | Cactus Rob
Posts:1120


 | | 08/10/2008 4:40 PM |
Alert | The law that is being challenged in this case actually protects our children from religions that most of us would prefer our children not be exposed to until they are old enough to make decisions for themselves. A win in this case will serve only to open the door to a multitude of organizations, some whose beliefs are so unmentionable that I'd be banned for describing them on this forum. My bible is pretty clear about whose obligation it is to raise children in a manner pleasing to God. No where does it say the state has that obligation. Teaching children about God is the responsibility of parents and the church. | | | |
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| | Protofish
Posts:190


 | | 08/10/2008 6:43 PM |
Alert | A second cause of World War 1 was imperialism. Imperialism is the domination by one country of the political, economic, or cultural life of another country or religion. Economic rivalries were a big cause of World War 1. Now I have to admit the assasination of the Archbishop and the Countess was more about Militarisim, but it also was Imperialism of the country's religion,and social economic stability that caused the " Black Hand" assassins to murder the Archbiship Ferdinand. WWII was about one pansy looking dweb who wasn't held enough as a child decided to slaughter the Jews. | | | |
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