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Subject: Shame on FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH and Pastor JIM JOHNSON
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AzSandSlingerUser is Offline

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08/06/2008 10:57 PM Alert 

I wish these religious zealots would just do what they preach... live and let live.. no one is "attacking" Christianity if the rules are the same for ALL...

lawsuits like this make me sick... everyone loses but the lawyers...



FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH and pastor Jim Johnson should be ashamed...

 

I hope your "flock" can see above the ludicrousness of these actions and put you in your place...

FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH sues MUSD for so-called discriminating against "Christianity"...

FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH can no longer donate god shirts and towels...

 What these zealots don't see is the BIGGER picture.. The school district has a blanket policy for ALL religions (NOT just Christianity)...  If they make an exception for FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH.. They will have to make exceptions for ALL religions.. Mormon... Catholic.. Wiccan.. Satanic.. Flying Spaghetti Monster...etc...

 

Quit wasting our money on FRIVOLOUS lawsuits.. The only people who will win are the lawyers...

 

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08/06/2008 11:06 PM Alert 
So its ok for any other private group except for religious ones to hand stuff out? You do not find that a discriminatory action?
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08/07/2008 5:48 AM Alert 

America is worried about everybody's rights, but Christians.

 

Christians are losing more rights than anybody.

 

I'm glad they sued.


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But He used it now to exalt the Lamb/
The Lord, who's wise, permits existence of sin/
to be glorified in His forgiveness to men/
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08/07/2008 6:09 AM Alert 

As the Most Robust Meatball of the Flying Spaghetti Monsters, we too are offended that we can't indoctrinate your kids in school.

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08/07/2008 7:42 AM Alert 

"Tadesco said it has to be all or nothing, or it's a violation of the First Amendment."

That makes sense, either let everyone pass out flyers or no one. Double standard end of story. I bet other churchs get to pass out flyers or certain "books" there. And no I am not Baptist but I see their point here.


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08/07/2008 9:04 AM Alert 

Why do you think it's ok for other organizations to post flyers but not the church SandSlinger? Is it because they're christian? What makes that ok?

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08/07/2008 9:14 AM Alert 

They shouldn't let anyone post flyers or handout tshirts in a public school.  If anyone wants to recruit for their cause or religion, it has no place in the schools.

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08/07/2008 9:34 AM Alert 
I don't mind Flying Spaghetti Monster flyers....

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08/07/2008 10:12 AM Alert 

If the subject has anything to do with ANY kind of religion than it is prohibited.  Have you not heard of seperation of church and state?  The founding fathers put this into the constitution with a very valid reason.  Public schools are for teaching education only, not to endorse any kind of religion.

 


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08/07/2008 10:23 AM Alert 

Keep religion out.  Its a high school, not a madrassas.

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08/07/2008 10:24 AM Alert 

It isn't in the Constitution. The phrase is taken from this:

Mr. President

To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson
Jan.1.1802.


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AzSandSlingerUser is Offline

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08/07/2008 10:33 AM Alert 

There is NO DISCRIMINATION against ANY religion going on here..

He said they want the district to change it's policy, which allows all non-profits except religious groups to pass out flyers on campus.



ALL religious groups are prohibited.. there is no discrimination against ANY PARTICULAR religion here..

I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that if a Scientology group wanted to pass out flyers, the so-called "oppressed" Christians would be in an uproar..

I COMMEND Dr. Flores for standing his ground on this.. I think the majority of parents would feel much the same..


Again.. Shame on FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH for WASTING our taxpayer money for a FRIVOLOUS lawsuit...


On another note.. congrats 239.. WTLW with your cover story.. Phoenix had the news a week ago..


-Shane


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08/07/2008 10:41 AM Alert 

Fact check - the phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. It is assumed to be implied by most, including myself, by the establishment clause in the First Amendment. that being said, when you exclude a religious organization from a free speech activity that you allow to others (passing out literature for example) you are violating their right to free speech. Also, many who tout the non- establishment portion of the amendment seem to forget the free exercise portion of that same amendment. If a school allows various groups to hand out literature it is not establishing a religion when it allows a church to do the same thing, as long as it is not supporting that church or advocating any religious opinion.

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08/07/2008 10:45 AM Alert 
Posted By AzSandSlinger on 08/07/2008 10:33 AM




ALL religious groups are prohibited.. there is no discrimination against ANY PARTICULAR religion here..

 

NO, just discrimination against all religion (see my previous post).
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08/07/2008 10:59 AM Alert 
ALL or NONE.................pick and choose is not democracy.......take down the bulletin boards and NO flyers.........

"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black
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08/07/2008 11:03 AM Alert 

If you let one religion in, then all can come in.  Get ready for the FLDS to drop off flyers to your 12yo girls, letting them know its god's will they drop out of school and marry a church elder.

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08/07/2008 11:07 AM Alert 
They already do so no change there.........

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RichTigUser is Offline

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08/07/2008 11:08 AM Alert 

Be the thursday wife for some old guy or stay in school.  Thats a tough call.

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08/07/2008 11:09 AM Alert 
Have you seen the public schools lately? Better off reading a book at home, might learn more..........

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08/07/2008 11:29 AM Alert 

I agree with the school to an extent. When prayers that were WANTED BY THE STUDENT BODY were removed from graduations, when some areas did away with the moment of silence (which I used as a time for a silent prayer) we took a separation too far. I don't think the church is asking too much in wanting to donate shirts and towels (which can easily be refused by the receiver) and I don't see a problem with them posting about their study group.

HOWEVER - the lawsuit is going too far. The money that is invested on the district's side is the tax payer's money. They are taking money away from our children through this lawsuit. I support the church in their endevors, but I canNOT support the lawsuit. It simply is taking it too far.

edit:  A full day later, and I realize my 1st paragraph body does not match my 1st statement - which should read:  I agree with the CHURCH to an extent.

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