moinmoin
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 Alert | Posted By RichTig on 08/06/2008 9:15 AM That doesn't sound like Jesus. Unless he moonlighted as a drag queen. And the Mormons didn't concoct the Quetzelcoatl stuff; you can go to other sources for that. | | | |
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moinmoin
Posts:408
| | 08/06/2008 11:23 AM |
Alert | Posted By itsadryheat on 08/06/2008 9:34 AM Yes, but we have evidence of the contribution early Native American's made...I would think that these contributions would be distinctly different from a Native American contribution, given that they are two different cultures of people AND the Nephites/Lamenites were said to have had horses, metal etc.... So is your answer now, that these cultures were conquered and destroyed? That sounds very different from past posts on this subject. I assumed everyone was aware of how the Book of Mormon ends. The Nephite civilization is eventually destroyed by the Lamanite civilization around 400 A.D. (which coincides with the decline of the highland and lowland Maya in the archaeological record). Moroni, Mormon's son, took charge of his father's abridgement of the sacred record and added some prophecies of his own and included a translation of the 24 Jaredite plates. He then took the plates to what is now upstate New York and buried them in a stone box near the top of the hill where Joseph Smith was led to them ca. 1400 years later.Lamanite culture continued and part of the ancestral heritage of the Aztecs who met Hernando Cortez in the 1500s. | | | |
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JasonY
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| | 08/06/2008 1:19 PM |
Alert | | Did the Aztecs and Mayans go to heaven then? | |
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moinmoin
Posts:408
| | 08/06/2008 1:28 PM |
Alert | | Like the rest of us, they will be judged based on the light and knowledge they had. Those who did not have any opportunity to accept the gospel of Jesus Christ (all of the Aztecs; they came well after the Book of Mormon closes) will be taught the gospel in the spirit world as they await resurrection and judgement, and their baptisms and other temple work will be performed on their behalf, giving them the opportunity to accept or reject these ordinances. | | | |
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RichTig
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| | 08/06/2008 2:18 PM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 08/06/2008 1:19 PM
Did the Aztecs and Mayans go to heaven then? Would it help me get into heaven, if I sacrificed a few virgins? Well, they would be virgins before the ceremony started. 
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JasonY
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| | 08/06/2008 4:21 PM |
Alert | HAHAHAHAHA!!! You know you are a necro come on........  | |
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Serpthia...
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| | 08/07/2008 2:16 PM |
Alert | moinmoin, I couldn't read your reply. The text was too small. It was little, miniature, munchkin writing.
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RichTig
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| | 08/07/2008 2:19 PM |
Alert | It said "We represent the Lollipop Guild" | | | |
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Serpthia...
Posts:175
| | 08/07/2008 2:39 PM |
Alert | | I think I must be a politically and socially incorrect person because the thought of the Lollipop guild gives me the warm fuzzies. I don't think I was supposed to notice that they were all short. | | | |
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moinmoin
Posts:408
| | 08/07/2008 2:51 PM |
Alert | Posted By Serpthia... on 08/07/2008 2:16 PM
moinmoin, I couldn't read your reply. The text was too small. It was little, miniature, munchkin writing.
Serp. Could you seriously not read it? You could try copying and pasting onto a Word document and enlargening it as much as needed. | | | |
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itsadryheat
Posts:233
| | 08/07/2008 5:21 PM |
Alert | Like the rest of us, they will be judged based on the light and knowledge they had
Wha???? | | | |
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moinmoin
Posts:408
| | 08/08/2008 8:57 AM |
Alert | | Well, JasonY's question was about salvation for the Aztecs and Maya (after Book of Mormon times). You know more about Christ and the gospel than they did, right? Won't God hold you more accountable than they, or someone who lived 3,000 years ago in Africa, given that you have more light and knowledge respecting Christ than they had? | | | |
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itsadryheat
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| | 08/08/2008 9:20 AM |
Alert | I am not held more responsible than they are. I am held responsible for the information God gave to me. But that is not based on the fact that I might have more knowledge than they...just that I have my own.
I am not sure that what you said about light and knowledge is Biblical.
Galatians 6:5 Because every man is responsible for his part of the work.
Romans 14:4 Who are you to make yourself a judge of another man's servant? it is to his master that he is responsible for good or bad. Yes, his place will be safe, because the Lord is able to keep him from falling. | | | |
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itsadryheat
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| | 08/08/2008 9:23 AM |
Alert | I am responsible for the knowledge that I have...not because I have more or less of it...but, because it is what I know. I don't know that I will be judged greater because I have more knowledge than the pygmy in the far reaches of the jungle. That pygmy is judged on what he understands about God...God presents himself to us all.
I don't know that your understanding of light and knowledge is Biblical.
Romans 14:4 Who are you to make yourself a judge of another man's servant? it is to his master that he is responsible for good or bad. Yes, his place will be safe, because the Lord is able to keep him from falling.
Galatians 6:5 Because every man is responsible for his part of the work.
Sorry for the repeat. I am not at my home computer and my posts don't show up very quickly on this one. | | | |
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moinmoin
Posts:408
| | 08/08/2008 9:54 AM |
Alert | I don't know that we disagree on this!
I agree with what you have posted. | | | |
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itsadryheat
Posts:233
| | 08/08/2008 10:53 AM |
Alert | You know more about Christ and the gospel than they did, right? Won't God hold you more accountable than they, or someone who lived 3,000 years ago in Africa, given that you have more light and knowledge respecting Christ than they had?
This statement is what I disagree on. | | | |
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moinmoin
Posts:408
| | 08/08/2008 12:05 PM |
Alert | 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. (Luke 12:46-48)
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itsadryheat
Posts:233
| | 08/08/2008 12:44 PM |
Alert | What exactly are you hoping that I see with those verses?
Oh, I see...the to whom much is given part?? Maybe there is another interpetation of that verse. Especially when you look at other verses linked to it. I think it means that when God has given un knowledge, talents, experience and we do not use them, then we will be held accountable for that. I don't know that it means that just because I have the Bible and therefore access to "greater understanding" that somehow those people who don't have that have lesser responsiblity. I don't know. I could be wrong. But, I think it has to do with responsibility for the knowledge/experience and the expectation that I will "let my light shine among men" and when I don't...then there is a problem.
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JasonY
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| | 08/13/2008 12:32 PM |
Alert | | No posts in five days? Everyone done fighting? No fun........lol j/k | |
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itsadryheat
Posts:233
| | 08/13/2008 1:05 PM |
Alert | | I guess there's no more to say on this topic JasonY. | | | |
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