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cholo bandito
Posts:817

 | | 10/08/2008 6:24 PM |
Alert | Posted By Phil.Fulmer on 10/08/2008 5:21 PM
This is also a case of do as I say, not do as I do. I've heard some rumors that Alan was on the board for VRED that voted to increase HOA fees. So, I did some research. Spoke to a few families that live in the Villages. One even allowed me to read the bulletin board, which Alan has used as a tool to speak against that. Frankly, i don't feel that is a wise use of HOA funds and resources to lobby against a political measure. Neither did that homeowner.
Sounds kind of stalkerish........ | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good. Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | LeonPotter
Posts:596

 | | 10/08/2008 6:43 PM |
Alert | Mr. Fulmer
I think what you posted against mr. Marchione is uncalled for. It is one thing to debate the bond initiative(pros/cons, cost/benefits etc.), but it's an entirely different thing to go on a tirade, and in my view, a personal attack, against someone who disagrees with your position.
Mr. Marchione can defend himself, but I think your post was totally unnecessary. I don't know Mr. Marchione other than his articles and postings on the matter.However, I would speak up if the tables were turned the other way,too. I don't think it helps anyone to attack the other person instead of focusing on the issue at hand.
Full disclosure: I am a resident of VRED.
I think if someone,a property owner, has an issue with the use of the VRED bulletin board; that is to be taken up with the board itself and/or the residents of VRED as well as anything else that happens within the subdivision regarding the HOA.
Thank You. | | My answer WAS "NO" to Q#5 and Q#1. Proverbs 22:7 The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender. | |
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:817

 | | 10/08/2008 7:01 PM |
Alert | When logic fails, use personal attacks. Karl Rove 101 | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good. Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:817

 | | 10/09/2008 6:16 AM |
Alert | "In an open-ended question regarding the most important issues facing the community, Maricopans listed the need for economic and retail growth first, then traffic congestion and lack of roads, followed by foreclosures and home devaluations." Interesting survey. Where is the demand for new parks? | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good. Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | Phil.Fulmer
Posts:103

 | | 10/09/2008 7:57 AM |
Alert | You also missed:
What do residents want? In terms of city initiatives, residents’ top priorities for parks and recreation facilities were: a community center, youth baseball fields, large multi-use parks, football fields and an aquatic facility with both indoor and outdoor pools. From the list of multiple parks and recreation facilities, respondents picked the aquatic center and a community center as most important. Least important were tennis courts, equestrian facilities and a public golf course.
What do residents need?
Those surveyed said their top two priorities were widening SR 347 and library construction and expansion. | | | |
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:817

 | | 10/09/2008 8:01 AM |
Alert | The most important things to me are tennis courts, equestrian facilities and a public golf course. | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good. Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | Phil.Fulmer
Posts:103

 | | 10/09/2008 8:02 AM |
Alert | | It's not a personal attack on Alan. It's taking Alan's same logic and applying it in a different setting. He voted to raise money and increase HOA dues to improve the recreational amentities in the Villages. It's the same principle. Monthly HOA dues in the Villages have increased by $20 bucks per month since people started moving into the community. | | | |
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| | Phil.Fulmer
Posts:103

 | | 10/09/2008 8:03 AM |
Alert | Rich, you seriously offer nothing substantial to this thread. I'm glad you like horses and golf. It's called Polo. You must be rich.
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| | Cactus Rob
Posts:1120


 | | 10/09/2008 9:25 AM |
Alert | I don't think there is a demand for new parks, at least not now .... in the middle of a world financial crisis which was brought on by people spending money they didn't have. If there's still a demand in spite of the crisis, then bond issue will stand on its own merits and doesn't need folks selling it. Once our nation survives this financial crisis ( and that could be years away), we will need our City Council to get its priorities straight. I believe the people would overwhelmingly support bond issues to clean-up our air, fix the RR crossing on main street and extend Smith-Enke to I-10. If we could just achieve those three things, our city will be so much more attractive to job producing industry and new residents. And, the quality of life for all would drastically improve! And before you tell me that extending Smith-Enke isn't possible, go to www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/102162 and read paragraph 6. Granted, all these projects will require much money and much cooperation from the State, the County, the Railroad and the Gila River Indian Community, but they will never happen unless our City Council gives them the priority they deserve. | | | |
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:817

 | | 10/09/2008 9:40 AM |
Alert | Posted By Phil.Fulmer on 10/09/2008 8:03 AM
Rich, you seriously offer nothing substantial to this thread. I'm glad you like horses and golf. It's called Polo. You must be rich. 
(take it in stride) I don't try and offer anything substantial. I leave that to all you really smart people. I am just here to poke fun at things, as I see fit. Don't forget to tip your waitstaff. | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good. Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | Cactus Rob
Posts:1120


 | | | cholo bandito
Posts:817

 | | 10/09/2008 10:10 AM |
Alert | The Maricopa City Council must be smarter than the Governor and her staff. When there's a recession and tax revenues are down, the only logical thing is to increase taxes and spending. Obviously. 
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I plan on living forever, so far so good. Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | pissedparent
Posts:333

 | | 10/09/2008 12:02 PM |
Alert | Posted By Cactus Rob on 10/09/2008 9:25 AM I don't think there is a demand for new parks, at least not now .... in the middle of a world financial crisis which was brought on by people spending money they didn't have. If there's still a demand in spite of the crisis, then bond issue will stand on its own merits and doesn't need folks selling it. Once our nation survives this financial crisis ( and that could be years away), we will need our City Council to get its priorities straight. I believe the people would overwhelmingly support bond issues to clean-up our air, fix the RR crossing on main street and extend Smith-Enke to I-10. If we could just achieve those three things, our city will be so much more attractive to job producing industry and new residents. And, the quality of life for all would drastically improve! And before you tell me that extending Smith-Enke isn't possible, go to www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/102162 and read paragraph 6. Granted, all these projects will require much money and much cooperation from the State, the County, the Railroad and the Gila River Indian Community, but they will never happen unless our City Council gives them the priority they deserve.
Perfectly stated!
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:817

 | | 10/09/2008 3:27 PM |
Alert | Well said Cacuts Rob. There are for more important infrastructure items that need to be addressed before a pool or skate park. While I agree that amenities are nice to have, imrpoved roads and railroad crossings should be the council's priority.
Why does this council focus on such trivial matters? If people can't get here or the streets aren't safe to drive on, then people won't move here. I doubt an extra park is going to trump the 347. | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good. Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | Whosis
Posts:39

 | | 10/09/2008 7:40 PM |
Alert | Another little chunk of knowledge for thought. The big supporters of the recent advertising slam for the Parks bond are none other than a few of the local builders. Hmmmm, maybe they want us to pay taxes so that their home values can increase. Lets be honest haven't the home builders done enough damage.... | | | |
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| | lmreynolds
Posts:17

 | | 10/13/2008 12:19 AM |
Alert | Wow....this thread went about as downhill as a San Francisco trolley car. I shall apologize now for my poor grammar, poor sentence structure, and lengthy novel like posting. I am more concerned about not waking those who slumber near me (my one year old daughter and pregnant wife), than I am with the readability of my postings. =)
For the individual who sarcastically said they are sure the Maricopa city council is smarter than Gov Napolitano and her staff must have quickly forgot about great decision making skills Gov N. and her staff made when her actions in part cost the AZ $600 million ...10 percent of our state budget at that time with her Alternative-fuel tax credit. The icing on the cake is now she just backed an "experiment" that bans bi-fuel vehicles from using the 73 miles of AZ HOV lanes...to allot for 10000 select hybrid cars (az had about 9K registered).
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| | lmreynolds
Posts:17

 | | 10/13/2008 12:19 AM |
Alert | | The funny part about this is these postings are in a Maricopa Question #5 thread...which would denote generally speaking...that those who go to such a thread are concerned and/or educated to a slight degree about the matters that are important to them, at least in their own eyes. With that being said...I would venture to say your postings are falling on mute ears. For those who feel they are already educated about something usually have an opinion regarding it...and thus from reading forum rants and raves...sprinkled ever so rarely by actual non-bias factual statements...little I have read in here will do more than serve as a soapbox podium from which a speakers only audience is those who already have an opinion and are just looking to oppose someone on it. | | | |
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| | lmreynolds
Posts:17

 | | 10/13/2008 12:20 AM |
Alert | | I will take the bait and speak out to those mute, already opinionated ears. I have owned a house in V-Red for 4 years now...I have spent a good amount of my life in Arizona...and over the years have been a resident of Queen Creek, Higley, Chandler, Mesa, Tempe, Scottsdale, Ahwatukee, and most recently Maricopa. I have been a frequent user of the parks and rec facilities in most of these areas. And although I am usually well informed on anything I chime in on...I admit other priorities in my current life have kept me from being as up to date on the details of this as I'd like. Also, I usually keep my nose out of the political and religion threads...nothing more than online soapboxes in my opinion. | | | |
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| | lmreynolds
Posts:17

 | | 10/13/2008 12:20 AM |
Alert | Nonetheless...being a resident of several Az cities (and one village), as well as a frequent user of their parks and rec facilities, I feel I have some insight regarding my observations (who doesn't right ). I have read several threads about the local crimes, especially on the individual community boards...most of them are committed by the "under 24" age range. Furthermore...sure one can go on and pull headlines from here to New York regarding violence in local parks...then again one could do the same for home invasions and violent crimes, convenience store crimes, of the increase of traffic related deaths...ect..unfortunately statistics can be skewed to prove just about any opposing opinion. But should we then, based on bias information, also stop at not building more parks...why not less roads, less homes, and less convenience stores? (I know there are those who might just like that proposal) | | | |
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| | lmreynolds
Posts:17

 | | 10/13/2008 12:20 AM |
Alert | | So with one major City park...every neighborhood reporting youth related crimes...it would seem that most crimes are done out of boredom here in COpa, sure there are exceptions, but several are without motive. Thus one could conclude a few more parks planned for the future, is one of several worthy investments. Even if you say those troubled youth will not proactively use the new facilities...years down the road the youth of our future sure would. You say less parks more businesses and proper roads to attract big business...however who would want to build in areas where their employees children would have nothing more to do than roam neighborhoods getting into trouble. Backyards are so small nowadays...but parents more and more complain about kids being glued to their computer and video games...these same parents should not be voting down less funding for city parks. Also if we have all read posting on how limited and full Panaca park it…would it not seem likely that another park would also be used? All the forums I have read when living in those other cities focused a majority of their complaints on how little future long term planning their cities did with roadways, parks and rec, ect…ect...here Maricopa is trying to plan ahead and so many are saying..."Whoa, sure investing in the future is good, but not now and not out of my pocket." No better time than now to plan for the future. Otherwise it will be here before you know it and our kids will be on this same forum posting about how little there is to do here and how they have to drive way out of town to do anything fun with the family. | | | |
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