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Phil.Fulmer
Posts:103
 | | 10/05/2008 6:43 PM |
 Alert | What do you mean we'll be back to square one. Please explain this incomplete thought. Posted By Robert B on 10/05/2008 6:16 PM
Just like the bail out bill it will oil the wheels for a while and the oil will dissipate after a while and we will be back to square one. My opinion again.
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| | Robert B
Posts:930
| | 10/05/2008 7:07 PM |
Alert | If it passes and then 2 year down the road the city starts taxing more for this and the economy is still in the same term oil it is now and the projects are built and no one utilizes them and no revenue is coming in than it is back to square one. Its a Gamble, to think of it now. That's what I mean. | | | |
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| | Phil.Fulmer
Posts:103
| | 10/05/2008 7:47 PM |
Alert | | robert, I think you are a little confused. The city can't double tax the same project. These projects will take darn near 20 years to build, not 2 years. To say nobody would use them is a somewhat shortsighted and ignorant statement. I'm not calling you ignorant but that statement is ignorant. | | | |
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| | Robert B
Posts:930
| | 10/05/2008 7:59 PM |
Alert | Posted By Phil.Fulmer on 10/05/2008 7:47 PM
robert, I think you are a little confused. The city can't double tax the same project. These projects will take darn near 20 years to build, not 2 years. To say nobody would use them is a somewhat shortsighted and ignorant statement. I'm not calling you ignorant but that statement is ignorant.
Phil Take it easy on what you say. Lets not get into a match here. I gave MY opinion you give yours and lets keep at that! No need to belittle anyone.
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| | Krzy
Posts:63
| | 10/05/2008 8:10 PM |
Alert | Things are tight in my house and we're spending less. Why shouldn't the city government? Doesn't it make smart financial sense to delay this until things are better? I understand the need, but there are several other things that are needed more than additional parks.
People don't move here for the parks, they move here because its affordable. They move here because its a small community. They move here for the services that are provided. Lets not run the city into debt just because we can.
Instant gratification has never made anyone successful or wealthy, just temporarily happy. We don't know whats going to happen in 3,4,5,10 years. Lets ride this out and see where we end up. | |
When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail."
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| | Phil.Fulmer
Posts:103
| | 10/05/2008 8:15 PM |
Alert | | Robert...again, I mean no ill will. I didn't call you ignorant just the statement. I thought I made that clear. If not, I apologize. We're all civil here. | | | |
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|  | Robert B
Posts:930
| | 10/05/2008 8:49 PM |
Alert | Posted By Phil.Fulmer on 10/05/2008 8:15 PM
Robert...again, I mean no ill will. I didn't call you ignorant just the statement. I thought I made that clear. If not, I apologize. We're all civil here. That's good to know. I'm only giving my opinion on here it is your part to inform people on your view point. Good talking with you.
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| | geewiz
Posts:417
| | 10/06/2008 2:17 PM |
Alert | Phil just drive your dang son to chandler. You chose to move to a place that didn't have enough parks for him to play in why burden other with your lack of planning. No on #5. | |
Be strong ARMY STRONG America's backbone. | |
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| | azcopa
Posts:92
| | 10/08/2008 1:25 PM |
Alert | | Just another thought, out of courisity. Does anyone know what percentage of the registered voters here in Maricopa are actual property owners here? So even those who rent property here are eligable to vote on Question 5, aren't really impacted directly by the propety tax increases. Well yes, maybe they would be via increase in rents, increased prices at the stores that can stay in business here etc. I guess I was just wondering if possilby this Bond question could be voted yes by those that haven't purchased property here and/or be here long enough to use any of the amendities. | | | |
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| | Coyotes Fan
Posts:67
| | 10/08/2008 2:13 PM |
Alert | | azcopa, anyone who is registered in Maricopa can vote on ALL issues on the ballot, so yes, renters can ultimately have the say-so on if the home owners end up paying more taxes. Isn’t democracy great? | |
One of President Bush's top economic advisers said Sunday "that parts of the country probably already are experiencing a recession..."
In other breaking news - the world is round. | |
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| | thick
Posts:591
| | 10/08/2008 3:38 PM |
Alert | | Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we're at least a couple years out before the City can take on the financial burden of maintaining any new facilities, and taxpayers wouldn't see an increase in their taxes for a couple years, and money from the bonds wouldn't be released until such time the City can maintain these new facilities, why is this being presented as a "now or never" situation? Why is this needed NOW to "get the ball rolling?" The problem I have with giving any government additional monies is that the pattern has been to increase spending, rather than truly work to cut the fat and spend wisely. Please, what am I missing, that putting this off for a year or two will be hugely detrimental to this City? What would the City be doing in the next year, that could not be accomplished without passage of Question 5? | | | |
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| | azcopa
Posts:92
| | 10/08/2008 3:52 PM |
Alert | Posted By thick on 10/08/2008 3:38 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we're at least a couple years out before the City can take on the financial burden of maintaining any new facilities, and taxpayers wouldn't see an increase in their taxes for a couple years, and money from the bonds wouldn't be released until such time the City can maintain these new facilities, why is this being presented as a "now or never" situation? Why is this needed NOW to "get the ball rolling?" The problem I have with giving any government additional monies is that the pattern has been to increase spending, rather than truly work to cut the fat and spend wisely. Please, what am I missing, that putting this off for a year or two will be hugely detrimental to this City? What would the City be doing in the next year, that could not be accomplished without passage of Question 5?
That's the big question we are all asking. I don't think anybody has anything against any of the plans it is just that now during this economic crisis is just not the time the present it. These amendities are not needs they are wants, and need to take the back burner for now.
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| | azcopa
Posts:92
| | 10/08/2008 3:53 PM |
Alert | Posted By Coyotes Fan on 10/08/2008 2:13 PM
azcopa, anyone who is registered in Maricopa can vote on ALL issues on the ballot, so yes, renters can ultimately have the say-so on if the home owners end up paying more taxes. Isn’t democracy great?
Well it may not always seem fair, but it does beat the alternatives......
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| | amarchione
Posts:73
| | 10/08/2008 4:11 PM |
Alert | Thick and Azcopa,
Great talking point. Balancing the "needs" verses "wants" is exactly what is being overlooked with the bond issue. It's kind of like going to the beach to have a family picnic, and pretending that there isn't a massive tsunami headed right at you. This is just a really bad time to ask taxpayers to tax themselves more. There is absolutely no reason why this has to be done now.
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NO on Question #5. NO to Debt and Taxes!
"Instant Gratification" is followed by debt. | |
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| | thick
Posts:591
| | 10/08/2008 4:26 PM |
Alert | | I also find it highly improbable that telling Intel or Motorolla we have a pool is going to "sweeten the pot" any and entice them to build a facility out here anytime soon. They would want substantial tax breaks, massive cooperation and most importantly easy access. Suggest a bond to turn the 347 into a freeway, and I would happily agree that it would draw in big business, but a pool? A dog park? I'm sorry. I just don't buy that line of thinking either. | | | |
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| | azcopa
Posts:92
| | 10/08/2008 4:34 PM |
Alert | Either are those things going to bring in more people to the city. Right now anyway, I believe people are moving here for the cheap housing, if we keep adding more taxes and more taxes then even that will cease. | | | |
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| | Phil.Fulmer
Posts:103
| | 10/08/2008 5:21 PM |
Alert | This is also a case of do as I say, not do as I do. I've heard some rumors that Alan was on the board for VRED that voted to increase HOA fees. So, I did some research. Spoke to a few families that live in the Villages. One even allowed me to read the bulletin board, which Alan has used as a tool to speak against that. Frankly, i don't feel that is a wise use of HOA funds and resources to lobby against a political measure. Neither did that homeowner.
In September, the Villages at Rancho El Dorado HOA Board approved a 10% increase in HOA Dues. This meant a $6 per month increase to the homeowners in VRED. The board also approved and is completing the installation of a taller fence around their community center to keep people from jumping the fence and using their pool and facilities.
Did you know that Peggy Chapados is the President of the VRED HOA, and Alan Marchione is the Vice President. These are also the two people who have come out opposed to Question 5, the bond issue.
Mr. Marchione makes passionate pleas to not increase Maricopa residents taxes for parks and rec services because people just can't afford them. I suppose that wasn't an issue when his HOA needed the cash.
Also, building a taller fence? Is that because there isn't another facility in town to go swimming at? Is the fence a method to reduce trespassing, a crime that exists because the city isn't providing services? Now that you are keeping the misguided youth out of your neighborhood facilities they can become someone else's problem, huh?
Mr. Marchione and Ms. Chapados, why can't the VRED HOA take care of its residents with the same amount of money this year? You expect the city to do it with over 30,000 residents, it seems like it would be a cakewalk for someone only overseeing some lawn mowing and grounds maintenance.
Good job for protecting your own. Now that you have more money and a more secure pool and park, you don't need to rely on the City to provide for you. Makes it easy to get on a stump and say how bad it is when you know you can go home to your own little paradise.
Just food for thought. | | | |
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| | Phil.Fulmer
Posts:103
| | 10/08/2008 5:27 PM |
Alert | Here are several links to read about the true value and relation between economic development and quality of life. It is an important consideration for companies as the higher ups usually want to know about schools, parks and things for their employees to do after hours.
http://www.rpts.tamu.edu/faculty/Crompton/crompton-selected-articles.htm
This link contains further links on:
* Trend Statistics in Parks and Recreation
* Economic Impacts of Park and Recreation Services
* Proximate Principle: Impact of Parks on Property Value | | | |
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:817
| | 10/08/2008 6:18 PM |
Alert | Are these the types of headlines we will get, when we get more parks?  Sep 3, 2008 7:21 pm US/Eastern 3 Suspects Arrested In Park Attack On Long IslandCops Paint Violent Picture Of Attack On Young Woman Boy, 15, arrested in park stabbing Family, friends remember Jorge Castillero, 15, of Fresno as a fun-loving jokester. By Eddie Jimenez / The Fresno Bee 09/30/08 22:06:25 State Representative Arrested In Park On Solicitation Charges Man arrested at park for possession of meth GALVESTON — When police served an outstanding arrest warrant on a Galveston man Friday, they reportedly found methamphetamine and smoking paraphernalia. | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good.
Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:817
| | 10/08/2008 6:18 PM |
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I plan on living forever, so far so good.
Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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