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amarchioneUser is Offline

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10/01/2008 7:34 AM Alert 

Fellow Citizens of Maricopa,

As a homeowner, taxpayer, and concerned citizen of Maricopa, I wish to express my concerns regarding Maricopa Question #5; the $65.5million bond measure proposed by the city which is on the November ballot.

The bond measure seeks voter approval for the issuance of bonds for construction of two regional parks, a new recreation / sports complex and a main library over the next several years. However, the citizens of this city really need to reflect upon the necessity of such an action, and whether now is the appropriate time to take on a substantial long-term financial burden, especially given today’s economic conditions and considering our city is currently debt-free.

Maricopa is a young city, and we are experiencing a housing and financial crisis that’s packing a “one-two” punch. We’re feeling it here with increased homes in foreclosure and decreased housing prices. Many neighboring cities, like Chandler, aren’t as hard hit by the housing crisis because they have a huge business and industrial base as well as a significantly higher population, generating combined amounts of sales and other tax revenue.

Maricopa is building its first big-box retail store. City planners have initiated steps for our first redevelopment area that will provide tax incentives to business that locate in the area. When the City approved the FY2009 annual budget, one of the key components was Development Impact Fees (DIFs). The goal is 100 per month, and with just under the first quarter in the new fiscal year in, we’re already below this goal. Reduced DIFs, combined with limited sales tax revenue from existing business and lost revenue from failed or lack of new business, and it’s quite feasible the city will find itself in a position of financial distress.

I feel strongly that this is not the time for additional spending nor approving substantial long-term debt. I fully expect City Hall to manage its money the way you and I are expected to. Even with facilities being built, the City has no funds to hire additional staff to maintain them. According to Roger Kolman, Maricopa’s Director of Finance, in an article in the latest issue of 85239 Magazine, repayment of the bond would cost the average citizen of the city about $25.70 a year. This is not totally accurate.

What is an “average citizen”? Are we speaking of every Maricopa citizen? Children don’t generate revenue and renters don’t pay property tax. Residential and commercial property owners would be repaying the bonds. A more accurate estimate of “cost per taxpayer” would be as high as $327.53 annually, based on home value of $250K, and even substantially more for commercial property owners. Who ends up bearing that burden? It would be already financially-stressed local business owners trying to sustain business in Maricopa where rent is higher than Scottsdale.

With my current property tax going to the City of Maricopa, (ref. line # 04164 of 2008 Pinal County Tax Statement), and taking into account my home’s current valuation, my portion of the bond repayment would equate to a 56% increase in my Maricopa property tax… and so would yours - regardless of value. My home was assessed at $218K, and the home next to mine just sold as a foreclosure for $124K. This is hard to swallow.

Some residents may be able to handle the additional tax, others would certainly feel the additional burden, but what about the affect this increase would have on those who live on a fixed income? Local residents are feeling the pinch, and we’re going through one of the toughest financial crisis in U.S. history. Maricopa is currently debt-free, and I feel this is the time to focus on priorities, not “wish lists”. Let the City stay debt-free a while longer and take a hard look at prioritizing what’s essential. Some things to consider:

1. The city currently has a hiring freeze. This is a strong indication that financial conservation is in play.
2. The city relies heavily on Developer Impact Fees (DIFs) to stay within budget, and actual numbers are well below projections. Will the city even make its budget?
3. The city plans to build another $15million dollar library with bond money. What? Why? We just broke ground on the new $1.9million library.
3. Recently, we received our 2008 property tax bills from Pinal County. Homeowner property was valued at substantially more than some foreclosure sales on the same street! Do the math… many homeowners are facing this reality right now, and are most likely not happy about it.
4. The cost of living, over the past year has shot up, with noticeable increases in the cost of gas and food. And yes, many HOAs are increasing dues in 2009 because Association costs have increased, and they’re facing increased bad-debt write-offs from foreclosures.
5. Many homeowners are dealing with additional surcharges from local utility and trash companies trying to cope with the unexpected sharp rise in operating expenses.

Perhaps, in the near future, when residents are feeling more confident about the economy, about their job security, and the current financial market crisis has passed or at least stabilized, the city can propose a bond measure that voters will support. Personally, I’m in favor of these new facilities, just not right now and not like this.
I urge you to join me in voting NO on Maricopa’s’ Question 5 (The Bond Measure).

Respectfully, Alan Marchione

 


NO on Question #5. NO to Debt and Taxes!

"Instant Gratification" is followed by debt.
Phil.FulmerUser is Offline

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10/01/2008 8:33 PM Alert 
Let's dive into this post. I'm for the bond. Voted on a few of these in when I lived in Minneapolis, Rochester, NY and most recently in Chandler.

ALAN, Respectfully, Writes:

The bond measure seeks voter approval for the issuance of bonds for construction of two regional parks, a new recreation / sports complex and a main library over the next several years. However, the citizens of this city really need to reflect upon the necessity of such an action, and whether now is the appropriate time to take on a substantial long-term financial burden, especially given today’s economic conditions and considering our city is currently debt-free.

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My, Respectful, Reply:

I have. One park catagorically fails to meet the needs of the community. My son's travel baseball team has to travel up the 347 to practice at Sneddigar Park in Chandler. My son is 10. You tell me why my son can't have the same opportunities as other children in Everywhere, USA? Pacana Park is a on a restricted reservation program because of the exceedingly high demand. Club ball teams are left out because they only reserve fields for the season. For example, football and soccer dominate the fall which means the kids that play baseball year round do not have a place to play/practice. And let's get one thing straight. The "ball fields" at the elementary schools do not have dirt infields. The high school is beyond territorial and the district frowns on outside users.

Cities provide services by issuing debt. Like you Alan, I was against my first bond vote in Minneapolis until I took the time to learn about the program how it works and ask questions of my council, my finance department, my parks department and my planning department. I say "my" because I am a taxpayer and I pay these people's salaries. Reading your rhetoric makes one believe you have failed in this regard.

Fact is, during economic down times, government is supposed to step in and help. This bond will strengthen the community, make it attractive and allow companies to look at Maricopa in a far different light than they do today.

From reading your diatribe one can only guess that you feel all 65.5 million will be issued at once. It won't. They can't. It will be done a per project basis. The capitalized interest arguments I have read by several here makes a dangerous assumption that is just not true.
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10/01/2008 8:45 PM Alert 
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Alan Writes:
Maricopa is a young city, and we are experiencing a housing and financial crisis that’s packing a “one-two” punch. We’re feeling it here with increased homes in foreclosure and decreased housing prices. Many neighboring cities, like Chandler, aren’t as hard hit by the housing crisis because they have a huge business and industrial base as well as a significantly higher population, generating combined amounts of sales and other tax revenue.

Phil Writes:
People moved here, took out the fake equity and then reality set in. That's everywhere. 3 new communities by 1 builder in Chandler filed bankruptcy today. Chandler is significantly larger than Maricopa and to compare the two towns isn't fair. Chandler has been hit.
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10/01/2008 8:45 PM Alert 

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Alan Writes:

Maricopa is building its first big-box retail store. City planners have initiated steps for our first redevelopment area that will provide tax incentives to business that locate in the area. When the City approved the FY2009 annual budget, one of the key components was Development Impact Fees (DIFs). The goal is 100 per month, and with just under the first quarter in the new fiscal year in, we’re already below this goal. Reduced DIFs, combined with limited sales tax revenue from existing business and lost revenue from failed or lack of new business, and it’s quite feasible the city will find itself in a position of financial distress.

Phil Writes:

WalMart is coming!! WalMart is coming!! This isn't the saving grace the city needs, but it's a major help. Significant help. But your use of the term DIFs is not accurate. A Development Impact Fee can be assessed to a new home under state law. DIF money does not factor into the operating budget as theses funds may only be spent on capital projects (that's building new stuff), not on the operation. DIF money must be extinguised within a 5 year period of collection or it is refunded to the developer (not the homebuyer, which sucks). Guess how much the Parks DIF is? According to ex-councilman Kelly Haddad, that number is $300 per roof top. The LOWEST figure in the state. The library is next in line at $450, according to Mr. Haddad.

So that means if 100 homes are built in the city a month, parks gets $30,000 toward capital projects. If 20 homes get build, parks gets $6,000 toward captial projects. Do the math, if the city were to soley rely on DIF funds for construction of a new $3 million pool, approximately 10,000 homes would have to be built. Given this market, it we'll see those number of homes built over 16 years assuming only 50 homes per year are built.

Revenue to operate these things, which is key, comes from user fees, annual passes, donations and subsidies from the general fund which is where sales tax comes from.

In speaking with the procurement manager for the city, he said that in order for any project to be built, a re-payment source must be committed and a revenue stream for operation must exist. He was confident that those sources would be there and was optimistic that by 2010 the first wave of bonds could be released.

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10/01/2008 8:49 PM Alert 
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Alan Writes:
I feel strongly that this is not the time for additional spending nor approving substantial long-term debt. I fully expect City Hall to manage its money the way you and I are expected to. Even with facilities being built, the City has no funds to hire additional staff to maintain them. According to Roger Kolman, Maricopa’s Director of Finance, in an article in the latest issue of 85239 Magazine, repayment of the bond would cost the average citizen of the city about $25.70 a year. This is not totally accurate.

Phil Writes:

Already starting to plan for your council run, eh Mr. Marchione? According to numerous job postsings on the city site, there is no such thing as a hiring freeze. A freeze suggests that no jobs are added and if people quit no replacements are hired. That is not the case this year. Your statement is patently wrong in the sense that these facilities can generate revenue (Check out the Tumbleweed Recreation center that my YES vote helped get built) to fund the operation of the facility. I'm also guessing that the number you are quoting is a per month figure, not year and perhaps 85239.com made a mistake. It happens in the media world. Interesting enough, if you do the math, that cost that Mr. Kolman refers to is the monthly figure. Hmm...using a typo to illustrate the point. Do the due dilligence Allan.
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10/01/2008 8:52 PM Alert 
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Alan Writes:
With my current property tax going to the City of Maricopa, (ref. line # 04164 of 2008 Pinal County Tax Statement), and taking into account my home’s current valuation, my portion of the bond repayment would equate to a 56% increase in my Maricopa property tax… and so would yours - regardless of value. My home was assessed at $218K, and the home next to mine just sold as a foreclosure for $124K. This is hard to swallow.

Phil Write:

I agree and it sucks but everyone, in every town all over America is dealing with this. According, to the IRS you can generally deduct property taxes on a primary residence.

Link: http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq3-6.html

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Is the mortgage interest and property tax on a second residence deductible?

The mortgage interest on a second home which you use as a residence for some portion of the taxable year, is generally deductible if the interest satisfies the same requirements for deductibility as interest on a primary residence. Real estate taxes paid on your primary and second residence are, generally, deductible. Deductible real estate taxes include any state, local, or foreign taxes on real property levied for the general public welfare. Deductible real estate taxes do not include taxes charged for local benefits and improvements that increase the value of the property. For more information, refer to Publication 17, Your Federal Income Tax for Individuals, Chapter 24; Tax Topic 503, Deductible Taxes; and Publication 530, Tax Information for First-Time Home Owners.

Logical Solution: Deduct your property tax increase!
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10/01/2008 9:03 PM Alert 
Alan Writes:

Some things to consider:

1. The city currently has a hiring freeze. This is a strong indication that financial conservation is in play.

Phil Says: WRONG. Go here: http://www.maricopa-az.gov/web/employment/index.php two jobs are posted. The city had recruitments for police officers, development coordinators and more.


2. The city relies heavily on Developer Impact Fees (DIFs) to stay within budget, and actual numbers are well below projections. Will the city even make its budget?

Phil Says: WRONG. DIFS are for capital projects only, not operating costs.

3. The city plans to build another $15million dollar library with bond money. What? Why? We just broke ground on the new $1.9million library.

Phil Says: You're telling me that an 8,000 square foot library is big enough for 30,000+ people or whatever that number is? WRONG. It's a branch library. Read The Communicator articles and articles from here. The city had to do something with the library DIF monies as they were about to expire. They did something. And guess what, the slab is down and sticks are in the sky. Progress is coming to our humble little town.

3. Recently, we received our 2008 property tax bills from Pinal County. Homeowner property was valued at substantially more than some foreclosure sales on the same street! Do the math… many homeowners are facing this reality right now, and are most likely not happy about it.

Phil Says: True. Have you called Doodie Dolittle? (Great name for a tax assessor).

4. The cost of living, over the past year has shot up, with noticeable increases in the cost of gas and food. And yes, many HOAs are increasing dues in 2009 because Association costs have increased, and they’re facing increased bad-debt write-offs from foreclosures.

Phil Says: More people are staying in Maricopa looking for things to do with the family. HOAs, by nature, are not well run and feature more fat in their budget than you can shake a bacon pack at.

5. Many homeowners are dealing with additional surcharges from local utility and trash companies trying to cope with the unexpected sharp rise in operating expenses.

Phil Says: And this is different than any other city how?

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I make $41,541 a year working at AT&T. My wife makes $42,211 working as a regional supervisor for waste management. We have 4 kids (all our doing, BTW) ages 2, 6, 8 and 10. My 10 year old will be lucky to see one project from this bond before he enters HS. My 2 year will benefit the most.

Frankly speaking, the people that need to recognize this bond are those families expecting their first child, or with kids under the age of 5. This bond assures them of having similar features that should be available to them. It also ensures the addition of needed programs for seniors and adults who aren't active but have a value in meeting people at community or civic centers and learning new skills or hobbies.
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10/01/2008 9:12 PM Alert 
And finally.....the focus of your editorial and complaint is on the lack of economic development in Maricopa. I can understand and appreciate that.

However, if the City can't commit dollars to ourselves, how do we realistically expect others to do that?
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10/01/2008 9:15 PM Alert 

Phil Writes:
People moved here, took out the fake equity and then reality set in. That's everywhere. 3 new communities by 1 builder in Chandler filed bankruptcy today. Chandler is significantly larger than Maricopa and to compare the two towns isn't fair. Chandler has been hit.

My Respectful Reply:

Comparing the towns is fair, and in my note, please notice that I made reference to Chandler's "not being hit as hard" by the housing crisis. I did not say that Chandler had not been hit at all. Chandler does have the ability to better absorb the impact. Recently, one of Maricopa's largest developments, The Provinces, had its builder, Engle Homes, go under. The result of this means much higher HOA fees spread across a smaller number of homeowners. This is going to be hard for them to deal with. Am I to understand, in reading your response, that while people are having a difficult time making ends meet, that your opinion is we should kick them in the teeth while they are down? Also, I have stated that I support the bond initiative, however, just not at the moment. This bond should be revisited in 2010.


NO on Question #5. NO to Debt and Taxes!

"Instant Gratification" is followed by debt.
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10/01/2008 9:21 PM Alert 
Engle Homes went under and then received over 100 million in new capital and Engle homes is back in business. They have, however, ceased operation in certain developments with the VIllages being one of them. They have not given up on Province. The HOA fees in province are incredibly high but they also receive a tremendous return on their fees. The rest of province is nothing but dirt. If possible, that land should be re-zoned for commercial or some type of job generating businesses. Provinces HOA fees were not based on the entire community (all 3 phases) being up and running at the same time. Actually more homes coming onto the market there would have stabilized if not reduced the fees just a smidge.

Source: My wifes father, who lives there.
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10/01/2008 9:23 PM Alert 

Seriously?  People get kicked in the teeth with a new park, new pool and they can deduct their property taxes on their IRS return?  Huh?

 

Posted By amarchione on 10/01/2008 9:15 PM

Am I to understand, in reading your response, that while people are having a difficult time making ends meet, that your opinion is we should kick them in the teeth while they are down?

 

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10/01/2008 9:23 PM Alert 
Chandler: Budget Cuts, Official Hiring Freeze but still building capital projects that were a part of a $400 million bond passed by voters 2-3 years ago.
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10/01/2008 9:33 PM Alert 
Phil Writes:

Fact is, during economic down times, government is supposed to step in and help. This bond will strengthen the community, make it attractive and allow companies to look at Maricopa in a far different light than they do today.

From reading your diatribe one can only guess that you feel all 65.5 million will be issued at once. It won't. They can't. It will be done a per project basis. The capitalized interest arguments I have read by several here makes a dangerous assumption that is just not true.


My Respectful Reply:

I don't consider it help when the local government wants to help by adding an additional 50% more in property taxes to my tax bill going to the City. The City should focus on its current priorities, the newly outlined redevelopment district, and managing its current obligations. Voting against, or having an opinion against this bond does not mean that I do not want to strengthen the community. Actually, by being fiscally conservative at this point in time, we remain strong. You’ve also made the assumption that I don't understand the outline of the bond. I am aware that not all of these items would be happening at once. Fact is, there are many issues at play here, and we may find ourselves in a different economic arena at this point in time then when you voted on your previous bond measures. You appear delighted with the idea of continuously taxing yourself. You may have no issues with additional taxes at this time, nor in the past, however, there are many families in the community that would view an increase in taxes as a heavy burden, and I don't want to forget those that are already on a fixed income.

NO on Question #5. NO to Debt and Taxes!

"Instant Gratification" is followed by debt.
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10/01/2008 9:38 PM Alert 
Seriously? People get kicked in the teeth with a new park, new pool and they can deduct their property taxes on their IRS return? Huh?

Come on Phil... So what if you can deduct it on your property taxes, you and I both know that deductions are not a dollar for dollar transaction.

NO on Question #5. NO to Debt and Taxes!

"Instant Gratification" is followed by debt.
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10/01/2008 9:44 PM Alert 
Do you get a tax refund?
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10/01/2008 9:51 PM Alert 

Alan, I have 4 kids and 4 college educations to pay for. You think I am delighted? Not really. It's my opinion that this is needed and a necessary investment as a taxpayer and we need to plan and implement now. Not later. It takes a while to plan this stuff. Your might not see a release of funds until 2010 given the market so why not vote now? The rate doesn't lock in until the bond is set.

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10/01/2008 9:53 PM Alert 
Phil Writes:

Already starting to plan for your council run, eh Mr. Marchione? According to numerous job postsings on the city site, there is no such thing as a hiring freeze. A freeze suggests that no jobs are added and if people quit no replacements are hired. That is not the case this year. Your statement is patently wrong in the sense that these facilities can generate revenue (Check out the Tumbleweed Recreation center that my YES vote helped get built) to fund the operation of the facility. I'm also guessing that the number you are quoting is a per month figure, not year and perhaps 85239.com made a mistake. It happens in the media world. Interesting enough, if you do the math, that cost that Mr. Kolman refers to is the monthly figure. Hmm...using a typo to illustrate the point. Do the due dilligence Allan.

Alan Writes:

Council... Not sure Phil. There is a lot to consider. However, it is under consideration. I, like you, have a full time career, and a young family, and a home to manage. I already dedicate a lot of my spare time to the community. The cost that Mr. Kolman refers to is "per Year." (pg 24 of 85239 Magazine) It's not fair to break it down in an "average citizen" basis, as the bond will be repaid only by residential and commercial property owners in the city. The additional cost in taxes to commercial property owners will be passed down to local businesses in increased rents.


NO on Question #5. NO to Debt and Taxes!

"Instant Gratification" is followed by debt.
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10/01/2008 10:05 PM Alert 
Alan, in all fairness, I really think it's a misprint. I don't think the finance director is that dumb. If so, we have other issues to contend with. Do you not think it's a possible misprint?
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10/01/2008 10:22 PM Alert 

Its a sad state of affairs, when families are struggling to stay in their homes and now they are being asked to pay for parks.  Would you people prefer they lost their home or maybe fasted a day or two a week?

The school ball fields are under utilized.  Instead of forcing the town to build your son a ball field to practice on, perhaps you should direct your attention to working with MUSD.

I know it is a crazy idea to use WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, before we spend $107,000,000.



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10/01/2008 10:23 PM Alert 

Phil, in all fairness... I realize that by opposing the bond, and expressing an opinion, I would open myself up to additional criticism, and you make some valid points, but not enough to convince me that this is the right time for a bond. I am not as wrong on many of my points as you state that I am, however, I can tell that no matter how I state my position, it will be wrong with you.

I saw that you made reference to me being a "Councilman" on the opinion article; however, I am not a councilman. Agreeing to disagree is what makes America what it is. I welcome debate and discussion, but not personal attacks.

I am sure you are a good man, who has his four kids, and tries to be a great dad. I do not hold your opinion against you, and I respect your passion.

With this in mind, I will let my opinion represent just another approach to the bond measure, as this was the intended goal.  If I get just a few more people asking a few more questions, and get a few more people involved, then it has been a success.

Goodluck.


NO on Question #5. NO to Debt and Taxes!

"Instant Gratification" is followed by debt.
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