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Java Lover
Posts:150


 | | 09/29/2008 9:22 AM |
Alert | Hello, I just wanted to let everyone know that there is now a website for www.yesonquestion5.com. There is some information there now and more will be added soon. So be sure to check back for continued updates. You can also register to vote through a link on our site. It takes you to servicearizona.com and you can register quickly and very easily. Thank you,
~Theresa Farley
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:821

 | | 09/29/2008 9:49 AM |
Alert | "I cannot stress enoug the importance of Question 5. Without your YES vote it will be a decade or more for ballfields, a main library, public swimming pool and other amenities every other community in Arizona has but we do not." Theresa Farley Exaggerate much? A "DECADE OR MORE"! There will be another election next Nov. Maybe the economy will be better by then and you can try for your exhorbitant bond then. Too many families here in our COMMUNITY have had to make cuts in their lifestyle, just to stay in their houses. To ask them to pay for this bond is, at this time, is just wrong. | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good. Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | LeonPotter
Posts:596

 | | 09/29/2008 10:20 AM |
Alert | I would truly enjoy having the amenities proposed. However, I don't believe this is the way to pay for it. According to the estimation of the voting materials, 1 Million dollars of interest will be due the first year of pay back. That is only with the first portion of the funds released. With all for parts (tranches)released, the interest due from the city will be over 5 Million dollars in a given year. This occurs for a number of years. Thie interest will reduce as each of the tranches are paid off.
The estimations are based on an interest rate of just over 5% and 20 years payback for each tranche. Granted, the interest rate may be lower, then again, it could be higher (up to a cap rate of 10%). The total expense is estimated to be $107,000,000. That is the original principal amount and interest to be repaid. The tranches would be authorized to be repaid up to 40 years. Everything else being equal, the interest repaid would be much higher because of the extra years to repay.(Generally, the longer the term, the higher the interest rate the investors demand,too.)
It has been stated that the tranches won't be released until the revenue is identified. I think if the revenue can be identified, it can be used to pay as we go or set aside in guaranteed interest EARNING instruments instead of toward INTEREST repayments. The affect of this would be an amount LESS than the bond PRINCIPAL amount because the interest EARNED could be used to help pay, thereby offsetting "principal required."
I understand that there is a longing for PRL amenities. I support the amenities. I just don't support Question #5 if the answer is the city paying interest along the way.
I will vote "NO" on question #5. | | My answer WAS "NO" to Q#5 and Q#1. Proverbs 22:7 The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender. | |
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| | Java Lover
Posts:150


 | | 09/29/2008 12:17 PM |
Alert | Posted By cholo bandito on 09/29/2008 9:49 AM Exaggerate much? A "DECADE OR MORE"! There will be another election next Nov.
I do not feel this is an exaggeration. Yes there will always be another election sometime.
However, if we do not start the process now, who is going to want to move or stay here? It is vital to our economic growth that we start the process to build facilities for those that are here now, to attract future homeowners, and businesses. If a business wants to move here and they ask "what recreational activities can my employees do in Maricopa?" What is your answer? We need to look at the future. The City of Maricopa has no municipal debt. Why not invest in our future, our kids' future, and our grand-kids' future? This in not a blank check, there is an agenda for the funds. If things to don't fall in line then not bonds will be issued, but without the YES vote we are already behind the curve. | | | |
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| | amarchione
Posts:73


 | | 10/02/2008 3:23 PM |
Alert | Hello,
For anyone who's interested in placing a sign in their yard, opposing the bond measure, please Private Message me. We have signs on the way.
The signs will read as follows: NO ON #5 - NO NEW TAXES
Thank you. | | NO on Question #5. NO to Debt and Taxes!
"Instant Gratification" is followed by debt. | |
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| | Phil.Fulmer
Posts:103

 | | 10/02/2008 9:01 PM |
Alert | | so you have formed a political action committee? | | | |
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| | Phil.Fulmer
Posts:103

 | | 10/02/2008 9:29 PM |
Alert | I'm not going to engage in childish disputes with Cholo Bandito over this issue as he/she brings nothing of substantial value to the conversation.
Alan is at least somewhat capable of putting his thoughts into a decent format to engage in the other side.
While some are anxious to get on here and bash Q5, I feel the same need to support the measure because of the benefits it will create. Like it or hate it, America allows democracy and all of us a chance to speak our mind, vote and then let fate run it's course.
I spent some time today reading a very interesting theory today. And I want to share it with those willing to read:
http://www.nrpa.org/content/default.aspx?documentId=1013
To that end, I feel that voting to spend money on parks may seem counter-intuitive to some in a time of economic crisis but, in reality, this may be one of the best investments possible in the local community and economy. Here are some of the reasons:
In a year when all local governments in Arizona will be working with a smaller budget due to a declining tax base from home values, the park bond will provide funds for long-term assets like land, new facilities and expansion. This money will help stimulate the local economy now, and will be paid back over the life of these improvements at a very low interest rate. At a time when many neighborhoods are seeing a declining value, the improvements brought by the park bond can help shore up the appearance and property values of distressed neighborhoods.
With declining property values, there is a great opportunity to purchase new parkland at a good value for the public. Studies have shown that properties adjacent to or near public open space are valued measurably higher than similar property not near parks.
Investments in parks contribute to the overall health of the community and have proven to be beneficial for the health and welfare of in times of recession. With home values down, we need to vote for the park bonds to help improve our communities. With the bond, we can stimulate the economy, and attract bigger companies to invest in Maricopa.
In a park needs survey conducted by J2 Engineering (www.maricopa-az.gov to read the full 100-page report) of Maricopa residents conducted in 2007 and 2008 the public expressed a great interest in acquiring new parkland and building new facilities. These are priorities that can be accomplished through the park bonds.
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:821

 | | 10/02/2008 10:54 PM |
Alert | Posted By Phil.Fulmer on 10/02/2008 9:29 PM
These are priorities that can be accomplished through the park bonds. ...........when the housing crisis stabliizes and the economy turns around. VOTE NO on 5 ! | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good. Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | Java Lover
Posts:150


 | | 10/03/2008 8:25 AM |
Alert | I would like to thank those that have asked great questions and not blindly given their support to this bond. It is a difficult decision but I think a no-brainer given the way the bond is written that other things must be in place before bonds are ever issued and this is the time to invest in our future. Here's a link to see what some other supporters of Q5 have to say. | | | |
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| | cholo bandito
Posts:821

 | | 10/03/2008 8:41 AM |
Alert | Wow, great links. The people who run softball and football want more fields, stunning. Maybe they could charge usage fees to pay for them? | |
I plan on living forever, so far so good. Cigarettes are stupid. If you are going to smoke something, it might as well get you high.
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| | LeonPotter
Posts:596

 | | 10/03/2008 8:56 AM |
Alert | Posted By Java Lover on 10/03/2008 8:25 AM I would like to thank those that have asked great questions and not blindly given their support to this bond. It is a difficult decision but I think a no-brainer given the way the bond is written that other things must be in place before bonds are ever issued and this is the time to invest in our future. I think if other things are in place, the no-brainer is NOT to borrow money. "Invest" is code word for "spend" to me. I would like to have parks, too. I don't want the City to "invest" in paying interest to someone else. | | My answer WAS "NO" to Q#5 and Q#1. Proverbs 22:7 The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender. | |
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| | Java Lover
Posts:150


 | | 10/03/2008 4:56 PM |
Alert | | A serious question for you Leon. How are we ever to buy big ticket items without a loan? I know there are a few people out there that paid cash for their house, this is the exception not the rule. For most people they have to have a mortgage in order to have a home. I see this investment in our parks, recreation facilities, and libraries the same. | | | |
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| | Java Lover
Posts:150


 | | 10/03/2008 4:58 PM |
Alert | Also, wanted to link to a very informative letter on this topic. | | | |
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| | LeonPotter
Posts:596

 | | 10/04/2008 2:49 AM |
Alert | Posted By Java Lover on 10/03/2008 4:56 PM
A serious question for you Leon. How are we ever to buy big ticket items without a loan? I know there are a few people out there that paid cash for their house, this is the exception not the rule. For most people they have to have a mortgage in order to have a home. I see this investment in our parks, recreation facilities, and libraries the same.
It wasn't always the norm. In order to pay for the big ticket items, the original money still must be repaid and with the added interest. This added interest adds to the cost the could otherwise be kept or allocated in a different way ,but must me made up with future (unguaranteed) income.
I believe people can buy things cash if the want to save and earn interest is greater than the want to have something immediately. The fear or impatience of not having something comes with a price that adds (unnecessary) risk to the equation. The city has done a great job being debt free. I think it is a foundation it can keep. I'm NOT against the ambitions of the PRL. I'm an avid supporter of its programs and my family participates in everything we can with great appreciation. Now just because I'm a believer in cash/self financing goals, doesn't mean I think things have to take longer to materialize. In fact, I believe the opposite to be true. Instead of the resources being paid toward interest, those same monies could accumulate and earn interest on the behalf of the objective. Instead of money going out, there is money coming in. This is a huge difference that is hard to imagine and there is no risk. Every dollar that would have been spent now would be "saved". This is a hard concept to grasp because the savinga doesn't seem to show up on a statement or return in a reimbursement. Nevertheless, it is there. However, the money that isn't spent doesn't require income to pay for the obligation because the obligation(bond repayment) isn't there. If the income that would otherwise be used to pay interest IS there, it could be used for PRL's behalf directly. If the obligation is there and the income isn't there in the future( things can happen), that obligation still must be met or consequences occur like bankruptcy with general debt or foreclosure with mortgages. My understanding is that there are certain state requirement imposed on cities that may appear to inhibit options. However, I believe there is a way that it can be done. That's what I would like to be seen achieved. | | My answer WAS "NO" to Q#5 and Q#1. Proverbs 22:7 The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender. | |
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| | Phil.Fulmer
Posts:103

 | | 10/04/2008 8:56 AM |
Alert | your idea is grand but because of limitations and restrictions the state of arizona has with municipal funding, general obligation bonds are what cities use to build park projects. based on the article 85239.com ran on the Leeman Brothers, the city makes $250,000 a month interest from investments. That's 3 million a year. In order to generate the revenue from interest alone, you are at 15 years if the decision is made to rely on investment interest to meet the needs for this bond.
How do you pay for the city hall, the PD stations, the parks, the pool, the public works places?
Your plan has built-in delays that could delay the construction of a police station (or any project) by several years.
Your idea is valid but it's limited by the sheer scope of infrastructure needs the city has. | | | |
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| | Robert B
Posts:930


 | | 10/05/2008 7:44 PM |
Alert | Posted By Phil.Fulmer on 10/04/2008 8:56 AM
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How do you pay for the , the pool,?
Your plan has built-in delays that could delay the construction of a police station (or any project) by several years.
Your idea is valid but it's limited by the sheer scope of infrastructure needs the city has.
Did the pool have water and people in it?
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