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kenmoreguy72User is Offline

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07/28/2008 10:32 PM Alert 

Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans rated members of the US Congress based upon their military voting record...

http://www.iava.org/full-ratings-list


And McCain is criticizing Obama about not visiting a militay hospital? This coming from a guy that did not back the new GI Bill? Coming from a guy voted against expanding mental health care and readjustment counseling for returning service members, efforts to expand inpatient and outpatient treatment for injured veterans, and proposals to lower co-payments and enrollment fees for prescription drugs?

The more I learn about him, the less I respect him.

drummer72User is Offline

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07/29/2008 8:37 PM Alert 
Funny how no one comments, huh Kenmoreguy? McCain only voted 4 out of 14 times last time it invloved the war in Iraq.
How can you be a patriot if you're absent? I lost respect for the guy the moment I saw him....

"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves"
PizzakingUser is Offline

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07/30/2008 10:04 AM Alert 

Ok. Out of curiosity I did some research. They claim to be non partisan. I took the first 5 A's and the First 5 F's and looked up their party. Shocking results! Actually I was expecting this

Their grades and party:

Rep. Robert E. Cramer, Jr. A- (Democrat)
Rep. Artur Davis A- (Democrat)
Rep. Mike Ross A- (Democrat)
Rep. Vic Snyder A- (Democrat)
Rep. Joe Baca A- (Democrat)


Senator Jeff Sessions F (Republican)
Rep. John Campbell F (Republican)
Senator Johnny Isakson F (Republican)
Rep. Tom Price F (Republican)
Rep. Lynn A. Westmoreland F (Republican)

Heres a good read about these organizations:

http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/10/16/veteran-pacs-drive-me-nuts/

 

 


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JasonYUser is Offline

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07/30/2008 3:05 PM Alert 
McCain didn't back the new GI Bill? If that is true he stinks like the rest of them. I hate veteran politicians who go on and on about patriotism and then shoot down legislation that would help our troops. I saw a show at the airport once about all the wounded guys coming back, and how they aren't getting the help they need (mental/physical/etc). It made me sick how they were just forgotten about. I'm sure this same thing happened with our Vietnam vets. Our government is full of s***......

"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black
drummer72User is Offline

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07/30/2008 3:21 PM Alert 
Still can't believe all the republican hicks, haven't responded to this thread yet.

"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves"
JasonYUser is Offline

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07/30/2008 4:27 PM Alert 
Not all Republicans are hicks......some live in homes not trailers........just like not all Liberals are hippies.........some shave their pits........

"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black
kenmoreguy72User is Offline

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07/30/2008 5:29 PM Alert 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_Afghanistan_Veterans_of_America

PizzaKing---

McCain's words...

As President, I will do everything in my power to ensure that those who serve today and those who have served in the past have access to the highest quality health, mental health and rehabilitative care in the world. The disgrace of Walter Reed must not be forgotten. … Whatever our commitments to veterans cost, we will keep them, as you have kept every commitment to us. The honor of a great nation is at stake.

McCain's actions.....
McCain voted against the new GI Bill.
MCCain voted against an amendment that would give 20 million to Dept. of VA for health care.
McCain voted against increasing veteran's medical services.
McCain voted against providing over 1 billion for the USNG equiptment in Iraq.
McCain voted against increasing the amount avaliable for veteran's medical care.

Shall I continue??

Maybe, just maybe, McCain recieved a F for his constant poor voting record when it comes to veterans. Just a guess.

MaricopaKenUser is Offline

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07/30/2008 7:38 PM Alert 
Not only is he awful to Vetrans, McCain forgets all about the seniors after they vote for him. He didn't even show up to vote to extend the Medicare funding which 800,000 Arizona Seniors rely on for medical care! Jon Kyle voted NAY! Guess they are insulted by their wealth and don't have any idea of what it's like not to get medical attention when it's needed. Check Senator Kyl's record on Vetrans issues as well! They are both guily of giving lip service to get elected. When are we going to wake up????
drummer72User is Offline

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07/30/2008 7:56 PM Alert 
Posted By JasonY on 07/30/2008 4:27 PM
Not all Republicans are hicks......some live in homes not trailers........just like not all Liberals are hippies.........some shave their pits........

 

I was refering to the hicks, but I guess you're right...somewhat.


"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves"
drummer72User is Offline

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07/30/2008 8:01 PM Alert 
McCain is a WARZERO.

"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves"
WompusUser is Offline

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08/02/2008 1:32 PM Alert 
Interesting read. Only responding now because I just noticed it.

Why do you suppose the ratings are so skewed? I mean could it be that democrats simply support the troops more than republicans do? Or could it simply be that democrats are much more eager to give tax dollars away, no questions asked and no matter what bills are padded with way too much pork? I read through the site and even downloaded their word document which better explained the scores. I would have liked the numbers broken down by vote but maybe that is asking too much. Even in the word doc it only gives one numerical grade for each politician, one time.

The last thing I am going to do is knock this guy Rieckhoff, but just on the surface look at some of their positions and how the grades were tallied. If you disagreed with the organization's position you were given a poor grade. Well look at some of their positions and don't ignore the fact that is is an anti-war activist who blogs at the Huffington Post. I mean look what he said about John Murtha:

"We applaud Congressman Murtha for having the courage to stand up in front of the nation and offer his honest assessment of the war in Iraq, including the shortcomings he sees in the execution of the war. Having served honorably as a Marine for decades, and with war experience in Vietnam, we know he did not take his statement lightly."

Ummm, hello? This is the same John Murtha that WRONGLY and publicly accused marines of cold-blooded murder. In fact Lance Corporal Justin Sharratt has been cleared on the three (3) counts of unpremeditated murder for which he had been wrongly accussed.... so how is that supporting the troops?

I think the scores are very sad, I do. But I also take them with a grain of salt when they come from someone who blogs at a left-wing web site, has Wesley Clark as his top advisor and lists many of his views that run parallel with democrat talking points.... oh and calls himself non-political. But that is just my opinion.... I was NEVER a huge McCain supporter, I just think he is better than Obama.
asugrlUser is Offline

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08/03/2008 10:07 PM Alert 

Posted By drummer72 on 07/30/2008 3:21 PM
Still can't believe all the republican hicks, haven't responded to this thread yet.

Yet another example of hypocritical liberals...how dare you prejudge people of other races??!!...but all Republicans are hicks, of course. Thanks for the reminder, yet again, of why I am not a Democrat, lol

 

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08/04/2008 2:13 AM Alert 
Posted By asugrl on 08/03/2008 10:07 PM

Posted By drummer72 on 07/30/2008 3:21 PM
Still can't believe all the republican hicks, haven't responded to this thread yet.

Yet another example of hypocritical liberals...how dare you prejudge people of other races??!!...but all Republicans are hicks, of course. Thanks for the reminder, yet again, of why I am not a Democrat, lol

 

booooohooooo hoooooo hoooo...... thanks for the reminder, yet again, of why I vote for the candidate NOT the party!!!!!
asugrlUser is Offline

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08/04/2008 1:25 PM Alert 
Yeah, so do I, and believe me, if a better Democratic candidate came along I might vote for him/her if I agreed with them on major issues. In fact, my friend who is a Democrat is actually voting for McCain! Is it so hard to believe that someone (actually, many people) do not like Obama? I'm sorry, is that not allowed in liberalville? I'll try to be less discerning with candidates next time; maybe I should just go along with the media and vote for Obama. The world would be a much better place if people just did that without educating themselves on the issues and candidates, huh?
BOBUser is Offline

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08/05/2008 2:10 AM Alert 
Posted By asugrl on 08/04/2008 1:25 PM
Yeah, so do I, and believe me, if a better Democratic candidate came along I might vote for him/her if I agreed with them on major issues. In fact, my friend who is a Democrat is actually voting for McCain! Is it so hard to believe that someone (actually, many people) do not like Obama? I'm sorry, is that not allowed in liberalville? I'll try to be less discerning with candidates next time; maybe I should just go along with the media and vote for Obama. The world would be a much better place if people just did that without educating themselves on the issues and candidates, huh?


Yeah, is that why your post reads:

"Thanks for the reminder, yet again, of why I am not a Democrat, lol"

You are definitely toting the pary line as far as I can see.

Let me guess your idea of educating yourself on the issues and candidates is listening to right wing talk radio(Rush..), anorexic bimbos(Coulter..) and of course let's not forget your inbox. 

hastings1066User is Offline

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08/05/2008 11:05 AM Alert 

Time for a fact check from a Republican hick. I am not a McCain fan, and will not vote for him, but the idea that he is anti-vet because of his vote on a veterans education bill is misleading (if you do not know the facts) or an outright lie (if you know the facts and are distorting them). As with many issues before Congress, more than one bill on this subject was pushed by different individuals and groups. McCain did not like this particular bill because it....... well let his own words speak for him . On this subject he said the following -  

"The most important difference between our two approaches is that Senator Webb offers veterans who served one enlistment the same benefits as those offered veterans who have re-enlisted several times. Our bill has a sliding scale that offers generous benefits to all veterans, but increases those benefits according to the veteran's length of service. I think it is important to do that because, otherwise, we will encourage more people to leave the military after they have completed one enlistment. At a time when the United States military is fighting in two wars, and as we finally are beginning the long overdue and very urgent necessity of increasing the size of the Army and Marine Corps, one study estimates that Senator Webb's bill will reduce retention rates by 16%."

As can be seen,McCain's position was not Anti-vet (a ridiculous claim when you consider his, and his families , history), but was based on a desire to have a strong ,experienced military. There are many reasons to criticize McCain, this is not one of them.]

Prior to criticizing any member of Congress (Rep or Dem) for voting against a particular bill you should do a little research. Almost all important legislative initiatives result in competing bills that differ in many ways. A Congressman votes for the version that he likes and against the others. So it is easy for unethical individuals (some of whom run web sites) to say that a Senator voted against a bill in favor of vets, kids, sick people, little old ladies, or apple pie. They just never mention the fact that he voted for the above in a different version of the bill. It's an old game that both sides have played for decades. The side that controls Congress has an advantage in this game, as they decide when, how ,and in what version, bill get voted on.

asugrlUser is Offline

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08/05/2008 1:28 PM Alert 
Posted By BOB on 08/05/2008 2:10 AM
Posted By asugrl on 08/04/2008 1:25 PM
Yeah, so do I, and believe me, if a better Democratic candidate came along I might vote for him/her if I agreed with them on major issues. In fact, my friend who is a Democrat is actually voting for McCain! Is it so hard to believe that someone (actually, many people) do not like Obama? I'm sorry, is that not allowed in liberalville? I'll try to be less discerning with candidates next time; maybe I should just go along with the media and vote for Obama. The world would be a much better place if people just did that without educating themselves on the issues and candidates, huh?


Yeah, is that why your post reads:

"Thanks for the reminder, yet again, of why I am not a Democrat, lol"

You are definitely toting the pary line as far as I can see.

Let me guess your idea of educating yourself on the issues and candidates is listening to right wing talk radio(Rush..), anorexic bimbos(Coulter..) and of course let's not forget your inbox.

Lol, again, thanks for generalizing and assuming. Of course I am proud to be Republican...if I only agree with Dems on say 1/10 issues,why would I not "tote" the party line, as you say? It would make no sense for me to vote against all my beliefs...Remember, I said if I agreed with a Dem on major issues I would vote for him or her. How likely is that, though? Since I do not really like McCain, maybe if a more moderate Democrat came along, I would vote for them. It's just not likely, though.

And I never listen to talk radio (both sides are incredibly misguided and biased, of course), and I don't watch national news (I don't even have cable). My way of educating myself is reading internet news, figuring out if it is biased or not, and taking it all with a grain of salt. I really do try to give the "other side" a chance; it's just not easy with a guy like Obama representing it.

hastings1066User is Offline

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08/06/2008 11:19 AM Alert 

BOB

You are definitely toting the pary line as far as I can see.

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BOB, from your above quoted post it seems that you are opposed to people who are "toting the party line". If that is so then I am sure that you are not an Obama supporter. If you check the Congressional Quarterly rankings, which track the votes of each member of Congress, you will find that Obama is the most loyal Democrat and partisan member in the Senate. The numbers do not lie, he votes the party line more than any other Senator. There is nothing wrong with that, he is just a loyal Democrat doing what loyal party members do. With these facts in existence, for him to pretend that he is some kind of different politician, is dishonest. He is a run of the mill liberal Democrat, and if thats what you want then by all means vote for him. However, if you are opposed to those who, in your words are "toting the party line", you should be looking for a third party candidate.

JasonYUser is Offline

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08/06/2008 12:43 PM Alert 

A hastings1066/JasonY ticket would be awesome, I would declare myself "Dictator for Life" after we get in......oops, er I mean........


"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black
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08/06/2008 3:14 PM Alert 
Posted By JasonY on 08/06/2008 12:43 PM

A hastings1066/JasonY ticket would be awesome, I would declare myself "Dictator for Life" after we get in......oops, er I mean........

 

Someone tried that in Rome over 2,000 years ago. Remember the Ides of March?

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