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pissedparentUser is Offline

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08/01/2008 8:35 AM Alert 

The people who signed up for the mortgages are just as much to blame as the mortgage companies.

 

It's up to the mortgage companies to tell the borrower what is a reasonable amount they qualify for. New home owners have no idea about those things, the mortages companies do. Its their responsiblity to tell them they don't qualify for an amout that big, not to just hand them a quarter of a million dollars and tell them to pay only the interest and worry about the rest later. Especially when they only make 50 grand a year with other bills on top of that.

It would be the same if a Rx just threw the drugs at me and asked me to figure it out for myself when it is his job to tell me what I am taking.

OBG IIUser is Offline

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08/01/2008 8:41 AM Alert 
Posted By pissedparent on 08/01/2008 8:35 AM

The people who signed up for the mortgages are just as much to blame as the mortgage companies.

 

It's up to the mortgage companies to tell the borrower what is a reasonable amount they qualify for. New home owners have no idea about those things, the mortages companies do. Its their responsiblity to tell them they don't qualify for an amout that big, not to just hand them a quarter of a million dollars and tell them to pay only the interest and worry about the rest later. Especially when they only make 50 grand a year with other bills on top of that.

It would be the same if a Rx just threw the drugs at me and asked me to figure it out for myself when it is his job to tell me what I am taking.

 

Thats it, shift responsibility.  Johnny told me to stick my hand in the fire.  What a crock.  This is why our country is in the sorry state it is now, no one will take responsibility.  Yet someone making 50 grand had to be responsible to get to that level of pay.


Some people will do anything to get elected!


IMPALIN' THE LEFT
klix76User is Offline

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08/01/2008 10:11 AM Alert 
Wait everyone......the government will help. its not the banks its the people who bought with hope and bad decision making ability.
JasonYUser is Offline

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08/01/2008 11:53 AM Alert 
Why should the government help someone who bought something they knew they could not afford? It is called a budget..........now I could see helping someone who lost their job but come on.............keeping up with the Joneses well wah tough luck...........

"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black
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08/02/2008 11:31 AM Alert 
It's part of the American Dream, people! I'll gladly help someone keep their house.

"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves"
pissedparentUser is Offline

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08/03/2008 2:36 PM Alert 
Posted By OBG II on 08/01/2008 8:41 AM
Posted By pissedparent on 08/01/2008 8:35 AM

The people who signed up for the mortgages are just as much to blame as the mortgage companies.

 

It's up to the mortgage companies to tell the borrower what is a reasonable amount they qualify for. New home owners have no idea about those things, the mortages companies do. Its their responsiblity to tell them they don't qualify for an amout that big, not to just hand them a quarter of a million dollars and tell them to pay only the interest and worry about the rest later. Especially when they only make 50 grand a year with other bills on top of that.

It would be the same if a Rx just threw the drugs at me and asked me to figure it out for myself when it is his job to tell me what I am taking.


 

Thats it, shift responsibility.  Johnny told me to stick my hand in the fire.  What a crock.  This is why our country is in the sorry state it is now, no one will take responsibility.  Yet someone making 50 grand had to be responsible to get to that level of pay.

 

You both are idiots. Like I said about the Rx, if a pharmasist tells you to take 5 pills instead of two, you trust them because they are the professional in their field. Same with the morgage broker. You wouldn't question them as a new homebuyer when thye tell you you can start looking for a home that cost 250 grand, you just start looking. The banks just wanted the money of the interest no matter from who.

It's not about shifting blame...most new homeowners went to banks to get money and and advise....all good realtors ask as one of their first questions "Have you been to a bank to see what you qualify for?" If the bank lied and told them some huge number they couldn't afford, it's NOT THEIR FAULT! IT'S THE BANKS!


 

 


 

 

asugrlUser is Offline

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08/03/2008 3:20 PM Alert 
Wait, what? I would not trust a pharmacist or doctor who told me to take 5 pills...I would probably do my research to back it up first. If it sounds fishy or too good to be true, it probably is. Yes, many mortgage companies misled people, but really, these people should have done their research before buying something that was clearly out of their budget. Do they trust car salesmen blindly too? If they have something to gain by selling you something, you really need to not just take their word right away. It seems rather naive.
impalasharkUser is Offline

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08/03/2008 3:29 PM Alert 
I bought a Rolls Royce and now I think my part time job at the McDonalds does not give me enough to pay the monthly. The dealer didn't tell me I can't afford it. He was so happy selling me the car, he even gave me a pair of free wipers.

Would the US government give me $$$ to help keep my dream car?
pissedparentUser is Offline

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08/03/2008 8:11 PM Alert 

Posted By asugrl on 08/03/2008 3:20 PM
Wait, what? I would not trust a pharmacist or doctor who told me to take 5 pills...I would probably do my research to back it up first. If it sounds fishy or too good to be true, it probably is. Yes, many mortgage companies misled people, but really, these people should have done their research before buying something that was clearly out of their budget. Do they trust car salesmen blindly too? If they have something to gain by selling you something, you really need to not just take their word right away. It seems rather naive.

It wasn't like the mortgage companies gave them millions dollars and they blindly took it , but even going over by 50 grand is an irresponsible move bu the banks. Telling them to take a volitile ARM over a fixed rate then a huge ballon payment that they can refi just before it comes due is BS. That is the boat most are in now. A mortgage payemnt that was$1,200 is now $2,400 and they can't refi because they can't get another mortgage. This bill won't help everyone, the bank must be willing to help them.

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08/03/2008 8:27 PM Alert 
I think that even after the market corrects itself, that as long as developers keep building houses in Maricopa, no one will want to buy my house. Someone told me that developers are still building in anticipation that the market will turn around, at which point, they could have a housing shortage. Huh?

I can't believe that developers have to build such quantities of houses out here in the desert Southwest--a very harsh environment and not for those who "need four seasons"--that there could possibly be a housing shortage!
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08/03/2008 9:15 PM Alert 

I just bought out here 2 months ago and got a great deal. This is a perfect place to buy for a first time home buyer, and when the market stabalizes, will be one of the only places in the valley that is affordable. As long as the local government spends money wisely in things that will make Maricopa an attractive place to buy, I expect to see things turn around nicely out here with in the next 5 years.

I wish I was in a position to buy up some of these vacant foreclosed or new inventory homes. This a potential gold mine for a well funded and pateint real estate investor not looking a quick return on the investment.

 

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08/03/2008 9:26 PM Alert 
Posted By pissedparent on 08/01/2008 8:35 AM

The people who signed up for the mortgages are just as much to blame as the mortgage companies.

 

It's up to the mortgage companies to tell the borrower what is a reasonable amount they qualify for. New home owners have no idea about those things, the mortages companies do. Its their responsiblity to tell them they don't qualify for an amout that big, not to just hand them a quarter of a million dollars and tell them to pay only the interest and worry about the rest later. Especially when they only make 50 grand a year with other bills on top of that.

It would be the same if a Rx just threw the drugs at me and asked me to figure it out for myself when it is his job to tell me what I am taking.

Apples and Oranges, the two don't compare. You are talking about signing probably the most important contract of your life. If someone doesn't do their homework and research and gets in over their head, it really is their fault for not being an eductated consumer.

There is plenty of blame to go around though, there were underwriters that were misrepresenting information on loan applications and misleading some people, and in those cases, the industry is at fault.  But overall most people got caught in bad mortgages becuase they were unrealistic about what they could afford, uneducated about the process and/or did not fix their credit score so they could refinance out of bad mortgage terms before it reset.

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08/03/2008 10:04 PM Alert 

Posted By mcolacino on 08/03/2008 8:27 PM
I think that even after the market corrects itself, that as long as developers keep building houses in Maricopa, no one will want to buy my house. Someone told me that developers are still building in anticipation that the market will turn around, at which point, they could have a housing shortage. Huh?

I can't believe that developers have to build such quantities of houses out here in the desert Southwest--a very harsh environment and not for those who "need four seasons"--that there could possibly be a housing shortage!

What are you talking about? Do you know how many people have moved here from other states, and will continue to do so? There could actually be a housing shortage in the future. Just because we don't have 4 seasons does not mean it is not a desirable, growing state. Pretty much everyone I know moved here from somewhere else, including myself.

 

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08/03/2008 10:09 PM Alert 
Oh I think homebuyers had lots of information and guidance - just from the wrong people. Late night infomercials and books on how to make millions in real estate with zero down are well and good but not exactly always on the up and up.

The first few generations of Maricopa home buyers DID make money - lots of money. I think the first homes in RED were sold for less than 100K. As word got out, demand increased more than supply. Prices rose dramatically - 30% or more in only a few months. What did those original home buyers do??? Sold the first home and bought bigger, nicer homes - trading up so to speak. The next spike - they pulled out all the cash possible and put in pools, redecorated, bought cars and furniture. And prices continued to rise. Investors flooded the market, eager to make a quick buck. Early rounds - they did make lots of money.

But you know what they say - timing is everything. The last ones in the market got hosed. They paid more for the house than its worth. The market is adjusting. There's more supply, less demand and lower prices. The number of foreclosures on the market is at record levels. Until foreclosure inventory and builder spec homes are sold - nothing is going to improve as far as resale homes. UNLESS you are lucky and were one of the earlier buyers you owe more than the current market price.

Will the prices strengthen? Eventually. The question is - can you wait out the market?

It's the same thing with the price of gold right now. It's over $900 an ounce. Will it hit $1200 or drop to $600? That's why they call it speculation!


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08/04/2008 1:15 AM Alert 
Posted By pissedparent on 07/31/2008 2:21 PM
Posted By Protofish on 07/30/2008 9:55 PM

The average house in Copa lost about 30k off its value.

 

Or maybe it's exactly where it needs to be. The houses were way to inflated to begin with. My sister built her house for 175 and thought she could turn around and sell if for 350....what an ass. And she is not alone. Now her house value is tanking (or so she thought) but it's right back down to 175 or maybe 160. Houses are a long term investment not something you buy and sell like underwear. Give it a few years, we will all be fine. And PS I blame the mtg companies for giving 250 grand mtg to people who only made 40 grand a year on interest only.

 

PP.....you do realize that you are aguing both sides of the issue don't yah!!!  ps you really shouldn't be throwin stones at your sis like that! 

 

LeonPotterUser is Offline

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08/05/2008 12:00 PM Alert 

Quote from Fritzy : "UNLESS you are lucky and were one of the earlier buyers you owe more than the current market price."


I wasn't an earlier home buyer. My contract was created in AUG 2004. It may be less than what I PAID, but I'm sure my home is worth more than I owe".

It wasn't luck. It has been done with purpose.


My answer is "NO" to Q#5 and Q#1.

Proverbs 22:7
The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender.
JasonYUser is Offline

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08/05/2008 1:18 PM Alert 
Don't buy stuff you don't need, with money you don't have......

"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black
RichTigUser is Offline

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08/05/2008 2:12 PM Alert 

Unless some banker-guy, you just met, says you can.  Then you can buy whatever he says you can.

mrwonderfulUser is Offline

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08/05/2008 2:49 PM Alert 

I don't call it luck, everyone has the same opportunity to buy and sell equally, I get tired of hearing the same ole  line about the profit on certain property.  How about the 50 thousand I lost last year in the stock market, I dont cry, just pick up what's left and go on.  Rich and Jason  got it

JangofettUser is Offline

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08/06/2008 4:57 PM Alert 
Posted By JasonY on 08/05/2008 1:18 PM
Don't buy stuff you don't need, with money you don't have......

 

QFE.

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