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CyndiWitczak
Posts:228
 | | | RichTig
Posts:0
| | 08/06/2008 2:16 PM |
 Alert | It says, your kids are retards. Spend more time with them and their schoolwork. | | | |
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| | resofcopa
Posts:42
| | 08/06/2008 3:09 PM |
Alert | RichTig - I thought you were an educated man? Don't you know that the schools are supposed to teach them math, science, reading, writing and morals and values and ethics and keep them off drugs and stop them from getting pregnant and conflict resolution and manners and so on.
All the parents are supposed to do is drop them off, pick them up, and yell at everybody when they fail. How dare you expect parents to spend time with their kids and help them do what the schools are supposed to do. If the schools would do their job the parents wouldn't have to do things like talk to their kids at dinner, check on their friends, discipline them when they break the rules, etc....
I know this will come with the usual barrage of "how dare you judge me as a parent I am the ultimate parent" posts BUT with the terrible scores coming in intelligent people should be able to surmise that more is needed to educate the kids then new buildings and new teachers. | | | |
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| | frappucino addict
Posts:190
| | 08/06/2008 3:32 PM |
Alert | Posted By RichTig on 08/06/2008 2:16 PM It says, your kids are retards. Spend more time with them and their schoolwork.
charming. 
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1004
| | 08/06/2008 3:38 PM |
Alert | Kudos to you resofcopa.Teaching in a high-school for 30 years taught me that, in many cases (not all), the single most important cause of student problems was bad parenting. I hate to tell you how many parent conferences I went to, in which it became obvious that the 16 year old ran the family. | | | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0
| | 08/06/2008 5:51 PM |
Alert | Posted By resofcopa on 08/06/2008 3:09 PM
RichTig - I thought you were an educated man? Don't you know that the schools are supposed to teach them math, science, reading, writing and morals and values and ethics and keep them off drugs and stop them from getting pregnant and conflict resolution and manners and so on.
All the parents are supposed to do is drop them off, pick them up, and yell at everybody when they fail. How dare you expect parents to spend time with their kids and help them do what the schools are supposed to do. If the schools would do their job the parents wouldn't have to do things like talk to their kids at dinner, check on their friends, discipline them when they break the rules, etc....
I know this will come with the usual barrage of "how dare you judge me as a parent I am the ultimate parent" posts BUT with the terrible scores coming in intelligent people should be able to surmise that more is needed to educate the kids then new buildings and new teachers. Someone needs to let the teachers know their scope-of-work has been changed to surrogate parent as well. God forbid a parent take time out of his/her life to be interested in his/her kid. | | | |
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|  | pissedparent
Posts:334
| | 08/07/2008 12:15 AM |
Alert | Posted By hastings1066 on 08/06/2008 3:38 PM Kudos to you resofcopa.Teaching in a high-school for 30 years taught me that, in many cases (not all), the single most important cause of student problems was bad parenting. I hate to tell you how many parent conferences I went to, in which it became obvious that the 16 year old ran the family. After knowing hundreds of teachers between several different schools, I have come to one conclusion...some should have never chosen that profession, because they suck at it. Just going to college and getting a BS degree in education does not a teacher make. The kid can be great, the parent can be great, but if the teacher sucks, the child will NOT excel. Really great teachers are hard to come by, that is why the really great ones are the ones you remember for life. | | | |
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| | frappucino addict
Posts:190
| | 08/07/2008 12:57 AM |
Alert | Posted By pissedparent on 08/07/2008 12:15 AM After knowing hundreds of teachers between several different schools, I have come to one conclusion...some should have never chosen that profession, because they suck at it. Just going to college and getting a BS degree in education does not a teacher make. The kid can be great, the parent can be great, but if the teacher sucks, the child will NOT excel. Really great teachers are hard to come by, that is why the really great ones are the ones you remember for life.
And some parents should have never become parents because they suck at it. The kid can be great, the teacher can be great, but if the PARENT sucks, the child will not excel.
Some teachers went into teaching to help kids become well rounded human beings, learning how to think for themselves and problem solve. I wonder how many of them went into teaching thinking they were going to spend every day teaching children how to pass test questions, as opposed to learning how to think critically and express themselves creatively. | | | |
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| | thick
Posts:615
| | 08/07/2008 12:20 PM |
Alert | | Perhaps this is a silly or obvious question, but is there anywhere to compare a single school vs the state or nation? | | | |
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| | CyndiWitczak
Posts:228
| | 08/07/2008 6:09 PM |
Alert | | Thick, the AIMS is a test made in Arizona for Arizona. There are other aptitude tests given to students in Arizona (like the TerraNova) that can be used for comparison with other schools and states, but I don't know where those results get posted. | |
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| | pissedparent
Posts:334
| | 08/10/2008 9:36 PM |
Alert | Posted By frappucino addict on 08/07/2008 12:57 AM Posted By pissedparent on 08/07/2008 12:15 AM After knowing hundreds of teachers between several different schools, I have come to one conclusion...some should have never chosen that profession, because they suck at it. Just going to college and getting a BS degree in education does not a teacher make. The kid can be great, the parent can be great, but if the teacher sucks, the child will NOT excel. Really great teachers are hard to come by, that is why the really great ones are the ones you remember for life.
And some parents should have never become parents because they suck at it. The kid can be great, the teacher can be great, but if the PARENT sucks, the child will not excel.
Some teachers went into teaching to help kids become well rounded human beings, learning how to think for themselves and problem solve. I wonder how many of them went into teaching thinking they were going to spend every day teaching children how to pass test questions, as opposed to learning how to think critically and express themselves creatively.
And some teachers should not have gone into teaching because they suck at it....we can do this all day long.....point is it's not always the parents fault | | | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:618
| | 08/10/2008 10:00 PM |
Alert | | I believe the fault lies in both camps here. School District (for hiring and not firing horrible teachers as soon as they recognize them) AND parents for not doing their part. Unless of course you are going to tell me that sucky parents, for some reason, are magnetically attracted to AZ. A ranking of 50th out of 50 is not something new to this state! | | | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0
| | 08/11/2008 8:25 AM |
Alert | Posted By pissedparent on 08/10/2008 9:36 PM Posted By frappucino addict on 08/07/2008 12:57 AM Posted By pissedparent on 08/07/2008 12:15 AM After knowing hundreds of teachers between several different schools, I have come to one conclusion...some should have never chosen that profession, because they suck at it. Just going to college and getting a BS degree in education does not a teacher make. The kid can be great, the parent can be great, but if the teacher sucks, the child will NOT excel. Really great teachers are hard to come by, that is why the really great ones are the ones you remember for life.
And some parents should have never become parents because they suck at it. The kid can be great, the teacher can be great, but if the PARENT sucks, the child will not excel.
Some teachers went into teaching to help kids become well rounded human beings, learning how to think for themselves and problem solve. I wonder how many of them went into teaching thinking they were going to spend every day teaching children how to pass test questions, as opposed to learning how to think critically and express themselves creatively.
And some teachers should not have gone into teaching because they suck at it....we can do this all day long..... point is it's not always the parents fault No, it is the parents. | | | |
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| | pissedparent
Posts:334
| | 08/11/2008 10:27 AM |
Alert | I agree that the fault lies with both. But I have heard it is next to impossible to fire a teacher (unless they are giving them drugs or having sex) and I haven't lived here too long so someone else can enlighten me on this, but do the illegals have anything to do with being 50th in the nation?
At a band competition last year half didn't even speak English, how can they be taught in the same class as my kids and expect to keep up? | | | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:618
| | 08/11/2008 11:02 AM |
Alert | | I don't know about the illegals having anything to do with ranking 50th. Florida has their fair share of illegals and non english speakers also and they rank in the 20's. Personally, if a kid can't speak the language that all their classes would be taught in, they shouldn't be allowed to register. It isn't fair for the rest of the kids who we all know will be affected in one way or another. | | | |
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| | frappucino addict
Posts:190
| | 08/11/2008 11:57 AM |
Alert | I guess that's why they have ELL classes. I believe students are being pulled out of class to learn English (Someone please correct me if that is wrong...). | | | |
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| | frappucino addict
Posts:190
| | 08/11/2008 12:03 PM |
Alert | pissedparent~
I am a parent, too, not a teacher. Maybe I am just being naive because my son has been in special needs PK and has had 3 teachers in 2 districts and they were all fabulous. The teacher he has this year seems great, too. I think sometimes, we look to criticize and attack teachers who are forced into situations beyond their control, be it class size, lack of support from families and administration, lack of supplies or lack of physical help in the classroom. I really think most of them are doing the best they can, and I just think some parents (not you, necessarily. I don't pretend to know you!) don't want to put in the work at home to help kids study and do what is necessary to succeed. You may have 1-5 kids (or more, who know) at home, but these teachers have 30 plus kids, and while I am sure they care, they certainly don't have the emotional investment in the success or failure of each particular child. I don't know. Hopefully that makes sense. I am very tired. | | | |
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