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Bionicbunny
Posts:618


 | | 07/23/2008 2:38 PM |
Alert | We took a step toward repairing our image in the world?! Um, is this supposed to make us want to give them more time to enrich? Because it might make us more popular? What does he think we are a country full of 6th grade girls (not all 6th grade girls mind you   http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,389245,00.html | | | |
| | caveman
Posts:1233


 | | 07/23/2008 3:45 PM |
Alert | | I don't understand what point you are trying to make. | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3330


 | | 07/23/2008 4:22 PM |
Alert | | Allah loves you...... | | "My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | thick
Posts:615

 | | 07/23/2008 4:24 PM |
Alert | I have such an inner turmoil over Iran. On the one hand, why are we allowed to have nuclear capabilities and decide who else can or cannot? On the other hand, these guys scare the crap out of me and I don't trust them one iota, so I do NOT want them to have the ability to obliterate some country they get into a pissing match with or just plum dislike. I don't believe it, but what if their desire really is innocent; just to generate power not weapons?
Some days I am so thankful that I'm not charged with this responsibility. Maybe it's time to start building that bunker though. | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3330


 | | 07/23/2008 4:25 PM |
Alert | | Bribe them with hot chicks in burkas...... | | "My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | ChimneyDuck
Posts:251

 | | 07/23/2008 4:53 PM |
Alert | | I think they want a "deal" like the DPRK got in exchange for abandonment of their nuclear ambitions. (Which is a lot sweeter than the deal that Iraq got.) Part of what they want is probably normalizing diplomatic relations. Hence the declaration that the US has already taken a good first step in this direction, and his desire for us not to ruin it by ill-timed rhetoric. | | http://www.maricopabikeclub.com - Join us for a bicycle ride. | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0

 | | 07/23/2008 5:19 PM |
Alert | I agree. They are looking to get a deal for dismantling their nuclear program. What exactly that is, we will have to wait and see. | | | |
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| | Marni
Posts:538


 | | 07/23/2008 6:34 PM |
Alert | On the one hand, why are we allowed to have nuclear capabilities and decide who else can or cannot
Werd.
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| | downfall
Posts:133


 | | 07/23/2008 7:23 PM |
Alert | you partly answered your own question, we have nukes and they don't which allows us to dictate, to an extent, what others do to our vital interests. One of the worst Presidents we haqve ever had, Jimmah Carter, rightly recognized the Persian Gulf area as a vital interest of the US the we would go to war to defend This also includes not allowing one nation in the gulf to become a regional hegemonic power and threaten their neighbors. There is of course my usual nationalistic rant that most of the fascist liberals on this board ignore now. We are the hegemon and we can do whatever the hell we want. | | "The price for conducting foreign policy on the basis of abstract principles is the impossibility of distinguishing among individual cases" | |
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| | trfsrfr
Posts:59


 | | 07/23/2008 9:59 PM |
Alert | According to the United Nations they are in accord with the nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT), meaning they are not creating nuclear weapons. Also the UN inspectors have had 14 'impromptu' inspections recently, by which they base this assertion. Since I dont recall Iran warring with anyone in the last 30 years, lets see what they do. The last thing I personally will do, is start buying what the media is spewing to me. I have since started looking elsewhere for my news; meaning not CNN, not ABC, not FOX, not anything here in the states. Ahmadinejad may not be as bad as what our media portrays him. He did try to place a wreath at the WTC ground zero site, but we wouldnt let him. What does that say? I may be wrong, but I will not be making any decisions based on what the american media is selling me anymore.
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1004


 | | 07/23/2008 10:23 PM |
Alert | No war in 30 years? How about an eight year war?Look up the Iran-Iraq war! From 1980 to 1988 Iran had up to 1,000,000 casualties, thanks in part to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (chemical weapons) ,and Iraq had an estimated 375,000. It's a matter of history. Go on the net and read all about it for yourself. If you believe that Iran's enrichment of uranium (needed to produce advanced nuclear weapons), WHICH THEY BOAST OF ALMOST MONTHLY, will not be used to make warheads for the missiles that they are also proud to show off, I would like to sell you some beach-front property in Maricopa. Trust me, Ahmadinejad will vouch for me. If Iran is in compliance with its obligations regarding the nuclear issue then why has the UN imposed three rounds of sanctions against them for failing to live up to those obligations? Again, a matter of historical fact. Go to the web, type in - UN sanctions against Iran - you will get an education on the subject. You must have a short memory if you do not remember why Ahmadinejad was not allowed to go to ground 0. When the idea was broached, there was a national uproar. To allow the antisemitic leader of a country that sponsors terrorism to place a wreath at the site of the worst terrorist attack in the US would be an insult to the 1,000s of dead. The people of NY and the entire US said, overwhelmingly, NO! For once Republican and Democratic leaders were united on this issue. To answer your question, "what does that say", it said that we had a sense of decency and respect for our dead that was sadly missing in Ahmadinejad. | | | |
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| | trfsrfr
Posts:59


 | | 07/23/2008 11:21 PM |
Alert | Hastings, you are entitled to your opinion (for now), and I respect that. As I said, I may be wrong. But then I also know that 9/11 was an inside job. yeah, I am one of them... I am curious to know where you get your information from though? I dont believe for one second that our government is being even 1% truthful with us regarding anything. especially this administration. We only get told what they want us to be told. Disinformation is king in this arena. And just to try and keep an argument between you and I from happening (which would be what they want-the whole divide and conquer thing), I would like to say that I appreciate your thoughtful response. Maybe we can discuss it further sometime, diplomatically or course. | | | |
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| | jhall
Posts:1342


 | | 07/24/2008 5:26 AM |
Alert | | AN inside job!!! BWahahahahaa! Do you still believe in the easter bunny and santa clause? | | All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. --Edmund Burke | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0

 | | 07/24/2008 6:33 AM |
Alert | Posted By trfsrfr on 07/23/2008 11:21 PM
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Maybe we can discuss it further sometime, diplomatically or course. You can't discuss things with STUPID. I am all for conspiracy theories......... Roswell Aliens, spooky......... woooooooooo. But anyone who considers 9/11 anything other than a terrorist attack is beyond talking to and is incapable of rational thought.
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1004


 | | 07/24/2008 8:25 AM |
Alert | Posted By trfsrfr on 07/23/2008 11:21 PM
Hastings,
you are entitled to your opinion (for now), and I respect that.
As I said, I may be wrong.
But then I also know that 9/11 was an inside job.
yeah, I am one of them...
I am curious to know where you get your information from though? I dont believe for one second that our government is being even 1% truthful with us regarding anything. especially this administration.
We only get told what they want us to be told. Disinformation is king in this arena.
And just to try and keep an argument between you and I from happening (which would be what they want-the whole divide and conquer thing), I would like to say that I appreciate your thoughtful response.
Maybe we can discuss it further sometime, diplomatically or course. My | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1004


 | | 07/24/2008 8:34 AM |
Alert | Posted By hastings1066 on 07/24/2008 8:25 AM Posted By trfsrfr on 07/23/2008 11:21 PM
Hastings,
you are entitled to your opinion (for now), and I respect that.
As I said, I may be wrong.
But then I also know that 9/11 was an inside job.
yeah, I am one of them...
I am curious to know where you get your information from though? I dont believe for one second that our government is being even 1% truthful with us regarding anything. especially this administration.
We only get told what they want us to be told. Disinformation is king in this arena.
And just to try and keep an argument between you and I from happening (which would be what they want-the whole divide and conquer thing), I would like to say that I appreciate your thoughtful response.
Maybe we can discuss it further sometime, diplomatically or course. My post was based on historical, verifiable facts, not opinions. The problem in many discussions comes when some think that their opinions are just as valid as another's presentation of historical facts. it may be your opinion that 1+1 = 3, but the fact is that 1+1=2. Saying that all of the math teachers are in a government plot to lie to us does not change the facts. | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3330


 | | 07/24/2008 1:01 PM |
Alert | | We should have listened to Ahmad Shah Massoud though...... | | "My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | Dweezil
Posts:73

 | | 07/24/2008 4:03 PM |
Alert | Hey nutjob.... what do you mean he is entitled to his opinion (for now)???
You mean when you socialists get your way there will be no free speech? Are you one of those who say whatever YOU want and hide behind free speech but if someone else says somethng they should be censured?
And ""But then I also know that 9/11 was an inside job. yeah, I am one of them""
You "know" this? What a tool. What were you in on the planning and now hiding out from Bushs hit team in the Copa?
And then you apologize for Ahmadinejad.....
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:618


 | | 07/27/2008 11:31 AM |
Alert | Posted By trfsrfr on 07/23/2008 9:59 PM
The last thing I personally will do, is start buying what the media is spewing to me.
I have since started looking elsewhere for my news; meaning not CNN, not ABC, not FOX, not anything here in the states.
Ahmadinejad may not be as bad as what our media portrays him.
I don't blame you, the news media in other countries is surely more honest and upright than ours. In Iran for instance, you will surely get the truth about Ahmadinejad there. 
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| | Reagan
Posts:741


 | | 07/27/2008 5:47 PM |
Alert | Posted By trfsrfr on 07/23/2008 9:59 PM
According to the United Nations they are in accord with the nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT), meaning they are not creating nuclear weapons.
Also the UN inspectors have had 14 'impromptu' inspections recently, by which they base this assertion.
Since I dont recall Iran warring with anyone in the last 30 years, lets see what they do.
The last thing I personally will do, is start buying what the media is spewing to me.
I have since started looking elsewhere for my news; meaning not CNN, not ABC, not FOX, not anything here in the states.
Ahmadinejad may not be as bad as what our media portrays him. He did try to place a wreath at the WTC ground zero site, but we wouldnt let him. What does that say?
I may be wrong, but I will not be making any decisions based on what the american media is selling me anymore.
Hey Einstein:
Do you care to show some facts so the rest of us idiots can learn how 9/11 was an inside job? Or is the CIA now watching this thread and you had to disappear in the middle of the night? How do other countries media get stories that are more truthful than us? And last questions: What countries media do you consider to more truthful than the American press? | | Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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